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    Quote Originally Posted by aikido7 View Post
    Others feel vexed by the fact that in the first chapter of Genesis, Noah puts pairs of every animal--male and female--into the Ark while the second chapter asserts he put seven of each animal in the Ark at a time.
    I have corrected you several times that the passage does not say seven of each animal, but the passage does say seven mated pairs of all the clean animals and two pairs of all the unclean animals.
    That is 14 and 4, not 7 and 2.


    Genesis 7:2
    2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.


    "by sevens, the male and his female" = seven mated pairs = 14 animals
    "by two, the male and his female" = two mated pairs = 4 animals
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    I have corrected you several times that the passage does not say seven of each animal, but the passage does say seven mated pairs of all the clean animals and two pairs of all the unclean animals.
    That is 14 and 4, not 7 and 2.


    Genesis 7:2
    2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.


    "by sevens, the male and his female" = seven mated pairs = 14 animals
    "by two, the male and his female" = two mated pairs = 4 animals
    Thank you for parsing the two chapters. I understand your opinion now. It is always more useful to respond to information you don’t agree with using objective means instead of name-calling, put-downs and sarcasm.

    People think that the different passages mean that God is contradictory or confused and so our faith is in vain. But the texts are filled with disparate theologies, contradictory traditions, remembered history and oral tradition.

    Clearly there are two traditions about the Ark. Rather than choosing one over the other, the scribe who edited the passages chose to include both of them. Maybe he did not want to offend both communities of believers.

    The question easily resolves to “which version are we going to follow?”

    Jesus says “No sign will be given” in Matthew and the other gospels, yet in Luke [as I remember] said the “Sign of Jonah” WILL be given.

    John asserts Jesus died a full 24 hours before the other three gospels tell us.

    The Bible also says David and Elhanan both killed Golaith. David’s act was probably legendary: most great men of the Bible were said to have performed legendary feats. So many historians think Elhanan was the one who killed him and then during David’s time, a legend was concocted that it was David himself.

    Different theologies and traditions in the Bible tend to throw existential fits when confronted with obvious discrepancies. They feel moral panic because they actually believe Christianity as a whole is threatened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    ... Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aikido7 View Post
    Thank you for parsing the two chapters. I understand your opinion now.

    Clearly there are two traditions about the Ark. Rather than choosing one over the other, the scribe who edited the passages chose to include both of them. Maybe he did not want to offend both communities of believers.
    The fable about only two (one male and one female) of each animal is from a misinterpretation of the verses, but it has persisted for thousands of years.
    The only way that the passage makes sense is to understand that it is referring to seven mated pairs (14) of clean and two mated pairs (4) of unclean animals (consisting of one male and one female per pair).

    Genesis 7:9
    9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.


    The animals went into the ark pair by pair.
    This is seven pairs of clean and two pairs of unclean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    The fable about only two (one male and one female) of each animal is from a misinterpretation of the verses, but it has persisted for thousands of years.
    The only way that the passage makes sense is to understand that it is referring to seven mated pairs (14) of clean and two mated pairs (4) of unclean animals (consisting of one male and one female per pair).

    Genesis 7:9
    9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.


    The animals went into the ark pair by pair.
    This is seven pairs of clean and two pairs of unclean.
    Be careful. Many believers sometimes use all sorts of mental gymnastics to explain how two opposite theologies, traditions and legends can be “true” at the same time.

    They force their opinions into a painful, Procrustian bed to make sure it comes out the way they want it. They abhor contradictions and disparaties. They really, actually think their presence in the Bible renders Christianity null and void.

    When I once pointed out that Matthew describes the Sermon on the Mount yet Luke terms the preaching as having happened by describing it as the Sermon on the Plain.

    The woman I was talking to immediately jumped in and said “Mountains have plains, too.”

    In one chapter of Genesis [around Chapter 30, I think, it claims the founding of Shechem was achieved through a deceptive, brutal, and bloody attack. Dinah gets raped, all males of the city were ordered to cut off their own foreskins.
    And her two brothers butcher everyone.

    But in another spot, Genesis also says Israel gained the city through a large monetary purchase.

    No violence. No slaughter. No rape.
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