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    “Gentiles were Israelites?”
    The Israelites were Jews.
    And Gentiles were certainly not Jews.

    Gentiles [the goyim] were defined as all nations except the Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aikido7 View Post
    To be blunt, the Gentiles were pagans.

    Jesus referred to them as “dogs” and mocked their praying style.
    Jesus made clear his message and mission was to the House of Israel.

    The bitter irony that today’s Christianity has become a message meant for Jews preached to a church full of Gentiles.
    That is true for a lot of Christianity, but not all. Those who are able to understand the Gospel of the Kingdom (being for the Jews), and Paul's Gospel of Grace, have rightly divided the word of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post


    Why do people make claims then post scripture that says nothing like what they proposed?
    They see something that isn't there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    That is true for a lot of Christianity, but not all. Those who are able to understand the Gospel of the Kingdom (being for the Jews), and Paul's Gospel of Grace, have rightly divided the word of God.
    Jesus teaching of “the Kingdom of God” were freely given to all.
    But you are correct: Originally, of course, Jesus and his followers were all Jews. He clearly said his message was meant for the House of Israel.

    It seems difficult indeed to be able to read a human heart and gaze into someone else’s soul.
    I remain skeptical.
    In my view, we have no privilege to know who and who has not “rightly divided the word of God.”

    Jesus called his mission to preach the Kingdom of God in parables for a damn good reason.

    He was making a sharp comparison to the Roman Empire. The parables sent an invitation to his followers to imagine what it might be like to have God sit on the ruling throne instead of Augustus Caesar.

    His followers spoke high treason whenever they said “Jesus is Lord and Caesar AIN’T."

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    Quote Originally Posted by aikido7 View Post
    Jesus teaching of “the Kingdom of God” were freely given to all.
    But you are correct: Originally, of course, Jesus and his followers were all Jews. He clearly said his message was meant for the House of Israel.

    It seems difficult indeed to be able to read a human heart and gaze into someone else’s soul.
    I remain skeptical.
    In my view, we have no privilege to know who and who has not “rightly divided the word of God.”

    Jesus called his mission to preach the Kingdom of God in parables for a damn good reason.

    He was making a sharp comparison to the Roman Empire. The parables sent an invitation to his followers to imagine what it might be like to have God sit on the ruling throne instead of Augustus Caesar.

    His followers spoke high treason whenever they said “Jesus is Lord and Caesar AIN’T."
    And the Risen Lord appeared to Paul and sent him out to preach the Gospel of Grace. The Gospel of Grace was not preached by our Lord when He walked this earth, or by the Apostles. It was given specifically to Paul, as Paul makes quite plain here.

    Galatians 1:11-12
    11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

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    If you are talking about some requirements to receive and experience grace, then you are definitely saying something but I don’t think you are talking about grace.

    “The Father makes his sun to shine on the evil and the good...”
    --Matthew 5:45

    Jesus came to Paul without an appearance. He came to Paul as a voice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aikido7 View Post
    “Gentiles were Israelites?”
    The Israelites were Jews.
    And Gentiles were certainly not Jews.

    Gentiles [the goyim] were defined as all nations except the Jews.
    Israel was made up of Jews and non-Jews. Those of the Southern Kingdom included the House of Judah which were the Jews. The tribes of the Northern Kingdom (House of Israel) were non-Jews....hence Gentiles. When God divorced the House of Israel, and the tribes were scattered among the nations, it was God who promised to gather back the lost sheep and reconcile them so that there would be one united Israel again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rstrats View Post
    flintstoned,

    As iamaberean noted: "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles...But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 10:5-6)"

    But aren't you saying that the house of Israel is Gentile?

    Gentile is a generic word that means foreigner, other, or not one of us. So to a Jew, a non-Jew would be a Gentile. To an Israelite, a non-Israelite would be a Gentile. In most cases in scripture, it is written from the standpoint of the Jews, which means that from their perspective those that were not of them....were referred to as gentiles.

    This explanation was provided in the link I included in my post: http://www.losttribes.net/menu/gentile.html

    Using states as a simple example: to Texans, Californians could be considered Gentiles (not one of us). However, Texans and Californians are both Americans.....so in that case France could be considered Gentiles (not one of us) in relation to both Texans and Californians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flintstoned View Post
    Israel was made up of Jews and non-Jews. Those of the Southern Kingdom included the House of Judah which were the Jews. The tribes of the Northern Kingdom (House of Israel) were non-Jews....hence Gentiles. When God divorced the House of Israel, and the tribes were scattered among the nations, it was God who promised to gather back the lost sheep and reconcile them so that there would be one united Israel again.
    Thanks for clarifying a complicated subject!


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