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    The Christian, Israel, and Authority.

    Authorities exist. For the Christian identity with Israel in regard to the New Covenant is a must for discussion. Otherwise, Israel is a nation like the nation you live in but it is a people. A possible discussion of God's Law may involve the Law of Moses. What is New Covenant Law? People have authority because God gives it to them, so be in subjection to the governing authorities as God has commanded. Israel is God's Chosen People, a nation. Do you know if you are a part of it? The New Covenant is for the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
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    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Matthew 5:19 NASB - “Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    John 14:15 NASB - "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Authorities exist. For the Christian identity with Israel in regard to the New Covenant is a must for discussion. Otherwise, Israel is a nation like the nation you live in but it is a people. A possible discussion of God's Law may involve the Law of Moses. What is New Covenant Law? People have authority because God gives it to them, so be in subjection to the governing authorities as God has commanded. Israel is God's Chosen People, a nation. Do you know if you are a part of it? The New Covenant is for the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
    I said
    It is but Israel rejected it. So Jesus took it to the Gentiles. It is still offered to the Jews when ever they want to join in as Christians.

    Jews And Gentiles
    Gal 2:6-9
    6 But from those who seemed to be something-- whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man-- for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me.
    7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter
    8 (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles),
    9 and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.
    Eph 3:6
    6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel,
    Col 3:9-14
    9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds,
    10 and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him,
    11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.
    12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering;
    13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do.
    14 But above all these things put on love, which is the bond of perfection.
    Gal 5:3-6
    3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
    4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
    5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
    6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
    Gal 6:15
    15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.
    Gal 5:3-6
    3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
    4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
    5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
    6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
    Gal 6:15
    15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.
    (NKJ)
    xxx Peter was to call the Jews to Christ. Paul was to call the Gentiles to Christ. They were both headed for the same goal. The revelations of Jesus Christ. Some Jews dont know this, and some Gentiles dont know this. And what the Jews are missing is that the message that the Gentiles have. Was first offered to the Jews. The message of Jesus was to deliver the Jews from the old testament law. The goal for both is the revelations of Jesus Christ.


    Matt 4:4
    4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"
    (NKJ)

    Matt 4:7
    7 Jesus said to him, "It is written again, 'You shall not tempt the Lord your God.'"
    (NKJ)

    Acts 10:28-40
    28 Then he said to them, "You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
    29 "Therefore I came without objection as soon as I was sent for. I ask, then, for what reason have you sent for me?"
    30 So Cornelius said, "Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,
    31 "and said, 'Cornelius, your prayer has been heard, and your alms are remembered in the sight of God.
    32 'Send therefore to Joppa and call Simon here, whose surname is Peter. He is lodging in the house of Simon, a tanner, by the sea. When he comes, he will speak to you.'
    33 "So I sent to you immediately, and you have done well to come. Now therefore, we are all present before God, to hear all the things commanded you by God."
    34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality.
    35 "But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.
    36 "The word which God sent to the children of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ-- He is Lord of all--
    37 "that word you know, which was proclaimed throughout all Judea, and began from Galilee after the baptism which John preached:
    38 "how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.
    39 "And we are witnesses of all things which He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem, whom they killed by hanging on a tree.
    40 "Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly,
    (NKJ)
    xxx The goal is the Holy Spirit. And then the revelations of Jesus Christ.

    John 14:26
    26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
    (NKJ)

    2 Cor 5:5
    5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
    (NKJ)

    2 Cor 1:22
    22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
    (NKJ)

    Eph 1:14
    14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
    (NKJ)
    [Gal 3:24-29
    [24] Therefore the law was our tutor [to bring us] to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
    [25] But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
    [26] For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
    [27] For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
    [28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
    [29] And if you [are] Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
    John 10:14-16
    14 "I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own.
    15 "As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
    16 "And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
    (NKJ)
    [Rom 3:21-23
    21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
    22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
    23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    It is but Israel rejected it. So Jesus took it to the Gentiles. It is still offered to the Jews when ever they want to join in as Christians.

    Jews And Gentiles
    Gal 2:6-9
    6 But from those who seemed to be something-- whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man-- for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me.
    7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter
    8 (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles),
    9 and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.
    Eph 3:6
    6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel,
    Col 3:9-14
    9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds,
    10 and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him,
    11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.
    12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering;
    13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do.
    14 But above all these things put on love, which is the bond of perfection.
    Gal 5:3-6
    3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
    4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
    5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
    6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
    Gal 6:15
    15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.
    Gal 5:3-6
    3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
    4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
    5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
    6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
    Gal 6:15
    15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.
    (NKJ)
    xxx Peter was to call the Jews to Christ. Paul was to call the Gentiles to Christ. They were both headed for the same goal. The revelations of Jesus Christ. Some Jews dont know this, and some Gentiles dont know this. And what the Jews are missing is that the message that the Gentiles have. Was first offered to the Jews. The message of Jesus was to deliver the Jews from the old testament law. The goal for both is the revelations of Jesus Christ.


    Matt 4:4
    4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"
    (NKJ)

    Matt 4:7
    7 Jesus said to him, "It is written again, 'You shall not tempt the Lord your God.'"
    (NKJ)

    Acts 10:28-40
    28 Then he said to them, "You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
    29 "Therefore I came without objection as soon as I was sent for. I ask, then, for what reason have you sent for me?"
    30 So Cornelius said, "Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,
    31 "and said, 'Cornelius, your prayer has been heard, and your alms are remembered in the sight of God.
    32 'Send therefore to Joppa and call Simon here, whose surname is Peter. He is lodging in the house of Simon, a tanner, by the sea. When he comes, he will speak to you.'
    33 "So I sent to you immediately, and you have done well to come. Now therefore, we are all present before God, to hear all the things commanded you by God."
    34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality.
    35 "But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.
    36 "The word which God sent to the children of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ-- He is Lord of all--
    37 "that word you know, which was proclaimed throughout all Judea, and began from Galilee after the baptism which John preached:
    38 "how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.
    39 "And we are witnesses of all things which He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem, whom they killed by hanging on a tree.
    40 "Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly,
    (NKJ)
    xxx The goal is the Holy Spirit. And then the revelations of Jesus Christ.

    John 14:26
    26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
    (NKJ)

    2 Cor 5:5
    5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
    (NKJ)

    2 Cor 1:22
    22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
    (NKJ)

    Eph 1:14
    14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
    (NKJ)
    [Gal 3:24-29
    [24] Therefore the law was our tutor [to bring us] to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
    [25] But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
    [26] For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
    [27] For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
    [28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
    [29] And if you [are] Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
    John 10:14-16
    14 "I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own.
    15 "As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
    16 "And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
    (NKJ)
    [Rom 3:21-23
    21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
    22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
    23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
    You have a lot of good stuff here Squeaky.

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