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    There are some on this forum who assert that those in the Body of Christ are not born again.

    What evidence can anyone give one way or the other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    There are some on this forum who assert that those in the Body of Christ are not born again.

    What evidence can anyone give one way or the other?
    Why does Paul, the only writer of scripture to use the term "body of Christ", never use the term "born again"?

    P.S. I refer to his use of the "body of Christ" as it relates to the church which is His body and not the use of His literal body as in Hebrews 10:10
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    There are some on this forum who assert that those in the Body of Christ are not born again.

    What evidence can anyone give one way or the other?
    The evidence of being born again is being filled with the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues as God gives the utterance.

    Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
    Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
    Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
    Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

    It is a matter of doing God's will not ours.

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    The "born again"/"new birth" spoken of by the Lord Jesus Christ in John 3 KJV,is a reference to the future rebirth of the nation Israel, when she is also to be spiritually cleansed and regenerated, under the blessings of the New Covenant, also possessing her land forever, after the second coming, "the second time"(Acts 7:13 KJV, Hebrews 9:28 KJV).


    Psalms 22 KJV

    31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born,that he hath done this.

    1 Peter 1:3 KJV Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    Isaiah 66 KJV
    8 Who hath heard such a thing?who hath seen such things?Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day?or shall a nation be born at once?for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.


    “Regeneration” is associated with God’s program for both the nation Israel and the boc(Mathew 19:28 KJV-Christ’s Millennial kingdom program, the hope of Israel/Titus 3:4-5 boc), but only Israel can be said to be “born again.” Regeneration for a Jew in the kingdom program made him a part of a born again nation. Regeneration today, in this dispensation,for any person today makes that respective believer part, a member, of the boc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamaberean View Post
    The evidence of being born again is being filled with the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues as God gives the utterance.


    ??????????????????



    matter of doing God's will not ours.
    yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    The evidence of being born again is being filled with the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues as God gives the utterance.

    ??????????????????
    Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
    Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
    Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
    Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
    Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamaberean View Post
    Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
    Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
    Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
    Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
    Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
    Your reading is out of context, friend.

    Filled with the HS is not speaking in tongues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    Your reading is out of context, friend.

    Filled with the HS is not speaking in tongues.
    Why then does Scripture show that evidence every single time that believers being filled with His Spirit then demonstrated?
    "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    Why then does Scripture show that evidence every single time that believers being filled with His Spirit then demonstrated?

    where are every single time?

    I knew you were a Pentecostal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    where are every single time?
    The Bible.
    I knew you were a Pentecostal.
    Just like the majority of believers on TOL recognize that you're an un-believer.
    "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    The "born again"/"new birth" spoken of by the Lord Jesus Christ in John 3 KJV,is a reference to the future rebirth of the nation Israel, when she is also to be spiritually cleansed and regenerated, under the blessings of the New Covenant, also possessing her land forever, after the second coming, "the second time"(Acts 7:13 KJV, Hebrews 9:28 KJV).


    Psalms 22 KJV

    31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born,that he hath done this.

    1 Peter 1:3 KJV Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    Isaiah 66 KJV
    8 Who hath heard such a thing?who hath seen such things?Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day?or shall a nation be born at once?for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.


    “Regeneration” is associated with God’s program for both the nation Israel and the boc(Mathew 19:28 KJV-Christ’s Millennial kingdom program, the hope of Israel/Titus 3:4-5 boc), but only Israel can be said to be “born again.” Regeneration for a Jew in the kingdom program made him a part of a born again nation. Regeneration today, in this dispensation,for any person today makes that respective believer part, a member, of the boc.
    Yessiree, brother John.

    Slain with Christ and made a new creature according to grace and mercy

    vs

    Born again of water and Spirit according to prophecy and covenant

    Not the same thing.
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    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    “Regeneration” is associated with God’s program for both the nation Israel and the boc(Mathew 19:28 KJV-Christ’s Millennial kingdom program, the hope of Israel/Titus 3:4-5 boc), but only Israel can be said to be “born again.”
    Paul told those in the Body of Christ that they were saved when they were born again:

    "But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior" (Titus 3:4-6).

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Yessiree, brother John.

    Slain with Christ and made a new creature according to grace and mercy

    vs

    Born again of water and Spirit according to prophecy and covenant

    Not the same thing.
    But don't you know, brother musty, that the details of the bible do not matter, and it all says the same thing?

    As that great American President, Jimmy Carter said, after he confessed that he had "lust in his heart,"...

    "To me it was like breathing," he said of the term. “(A)ll of us [Southern Baptists] considered ourselves to be born again."


    Of course, his answer to the "Energy Crisis," was to turn down our thermostats, and wear a sweater, at night. His daughter, Amy, and perhaps his brother, Billy, after a few "Billy Beers," advised him...





    Unplug your TV sets, wear sweaters, fire up your fire place, and turn off your A/C, and you will be "born again!!" Puh-rayyyyzzz, Gaaaaaawd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Give me an "Amen," saints, and the Laaaawd, a shout of puh-raayzzzz!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Paul told those in the Body of Christ that they were saved when they were born again:

    "But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior" (Titus 3:4-6).
    I missed where Paul asserted, "born again."

    Unpack for all of us, Jer, why you insist to peg members of the boc as "born again," when Paul never does. Is it an obsession, on your part?


    Your "calling?" An attempt to gain credententials, on your part, to part with us morons, something that we missed, and you need to set us straight?

    “Regeneration” is associated with God’s program for both the nation Israel and the boc(Mathew 19:28 KJV-Christ’s Millennial kingdom program, the hope of Israel/Titus 3:4-5 boc), but only Israel can be said to be “born again.” Regeneration for a Jew in the kingdom program made him a part of a born again nation. Regeneration today, in this dispensation,for any person today makes that respective believer part, a member, of the boc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    The Bible.
    references?

    majority of believers on TOL recognize that you're an un-believer.
    I know.

    good for me, I am not one of the majority crowd followers like you. jealous?

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