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    $7.9 Trillion

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    Laurence M. Vance

    In the eight years the Republicans controlled the House of Representatives, they increased the federal debt by $7.9 trillion. But the Republicans are good and Democrats are bad, right?
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
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    In the eight years the Republicans controlled the House of Representatives, they increased the federal debt by $7.9 trillion. But the Republicans are good and Democrats are bad, right?
    Other than Bill Clinton, has any recent president actually reduced the debt?
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    Newt Gingrich, not Bill the Rapist Clinton reduced discretionary spending, which is not the cause of the debt. Mandatory spending is. Social Security and Medicare are % of the budget. Don't let facts get in the way of your communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Other than Bill Clinton, has any recent president actually reduced the debt?
    Clinton didn't actually reduce the debt but he was heading in that direction with the Republican Congress' help. Of the rest, Obama was the only other one I think was moving the deficit in the right direction.

    I've generally found that both parties only care about the debt/deficit when the other party is in power. The Trump Administration is proving no different in that regard. Clinton may be an example that divided government is best under the two-party system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick M View Post
    Newt Gingrich, not Bill the Rapist Clinton reduced discretionary spending, which is not the cause of the debt. Mandatory spending is. Social Security and Medicare are % of the budget. Don't let facts get in the way of your communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick M View Post
    Newt Gingrich, not Bill the Rapist Clinton reduced discretionary spending, which is not the cause of the debt.
    Nope. Newt decided he'd shut the government down to make Clinton approve of the republican budget that would have ballooned the debt. Instead, Clinton held out, and forced Newt to accept his budget. And that actually paid down a little of the debt. Would you like me to show you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    Clinton didn't actually reduce the debt but he was heading in that direction with the Republican Congress' help.
    Well, let's take a look...



    Clinton actually did pay down the debt a bit. As you might know, the republicans shut down the government, rather than give him the budget he wanted. Ultimately Gingrich let it be known that he did it mainly out of pique at being given an inferior seat on Air Force One. And according to republican whip Dick Armey:

    Yet despite such successes, we didn't learn the right political lessons. A few months before the victory on welfare, we lost the battle over the federal government shutdown of 1995, when we were outmaneuvered by Clinton, a masterful political operator. After that fight, too many Republicans apparently concluded that America wanted bigger government. This misreading was the first step on the road away from the Reagan legacy.

    We emerged as a wounded party; we stopped trusting the public; and we internalized the wrong lesson

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...102701482.html

    They still don't trust us. Hence Gerrymandering and even outright voter fraud.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Other than Bill Clinton, has any recent president actually reduced the debt?
    You assume presidents have that much legislative power?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Well, let's take a look...



    Clinton actually did pay down the debt a bit. As you might know, the republicans shut down the government, rather than give him the budget he wanted. Ultimately Gingrich let it be known that he did it mainly out of pique at being given an inferior seat on Air Force One. And according to republican whip Dick Armey:
    Well, I stand corrected then, I thought his surpluses were projected but not yet obtained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SabathMoon View Post
    You assume presidents have that much legislative power?
    Clinton did. As the republicans admitted, he played them pretty well. And out of his legislative victories, we actually paid down the debt a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    As the republicans admitted, he played them pretty well.

    that sounds awesome!

    I like to read that!

    got a link to where those republicans admitted that Clinton "played them pretty well"?


    'cause when i do a google search, i get bupkis

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    that sounds awesome!

    I like to read that!

    got a link to where those republicans admitted that Clinton "played them pretty well"?


    'cause when i do a google search, i get bupkis
    Yet despite such successes, we didn't learn the right political lessons. A few months before the victory on welfare, we lost the battle over the federal government shutdown of 1995, when we were outmaneuvered by Clinton, a masterful political operator.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...102701482.html
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    that's one guy and he didn't say what you said

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    that's one guy
    A republican house leader.

    and he didn't say what you said
    So he used somewhat stronger language to describe how easily Clinton handled them. You're not good enough with language to be an effective pettifogger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    So he used somewhat stronger language to describe how easily Clinton handled them. You're not good enough with language to be an effective pettifogger.

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