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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I guess I imagine people who did good works but that it was performance based.
    We see unbelievers doing good works every single day, Jacob. That certainly doesn't mean they are saved or members of the body of Christ. It certainly doesn't mean they have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them. They are natural men of the flesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    We see unbelievers doing good works every single day, Jacob. That certainly doesn't mean they are saved or members of the body of Christ. It certainly doesn't mean they have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them. They are natural men of the flesh.
    I am unused to this. I grew up in the church studying the Bible.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I am unused to this. I grew up in the church studying the Bible.
    Then you should know about it. It's all over in the Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Then you should know about it. It's all over in the Bible.
    What I am saying is that I have little experience with unbelievers and a lot of Bible book work, being exposed to the scriptures the things of God.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
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    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    What I am saying is that I have little experience with unbelievers and a lot of Bible book work, being exposed to the scriptures the things of God.
    Hmmm... so are you thinking most people are believers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Hmmm... so are you thinking most people are believers?
    Growing up pretty much everyone was. Until Community College. But it was a school in the city I went to church in.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Growing up pretty much everyone was. Until Community College. But it was a school in the city I went to church in.
    That's a problem for you, Jacob, because not all who claim to be saved are saved. You, like most men, cannot see into the hearts of man. You cannot see what their motives are. You cannot see what they do behind closed doors. Therefore, you are judging according to the flesh, which is not how we're to judge anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    That's a problem for you, Jacob, because not all who claim to be saved are saved. You, like most men, cannot see into the hearts of man. You cannot see what their motives are. You cannot see what they do behind closed doors. Therefore, you are judging according to the flesh, which is not how we're to judge anyone.
    You can only judge what you see. It takes something more to judge more. But no one should be judged like this. Basically, if you don't know something don't make a judgment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    It's right here. You can't see?

    God, the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ, Christ be in you....

    Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

    9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

    10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

    11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
    I see the verses you quoted mention "he that raised up Christ from the dead".
    This is made evern clearer in other verses:

    Acts 3:26
    26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.


    God raised His Son Jesus from the dead.
    That is two different beings, not one.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    I see the verses you quoted mention "he that raised up Christ from the dead".
    This is made evern clearer in other verses:

    Acts 3:26
    26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.


    God raised His Son Jesus from the dead.
    That is two different beings, not one.
    One being, different persons.

    Jesus said He would raise Himself, too. John 2:19, 21-22
    They are ONE GOD. Since they are ONE, they can all lay claim to it.

    The key is found here. It's the Holy Spirit that does the actual quickening.

    Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    One being, different persons.
    You are claiming that God has a mental disorder, which is not true.

    Dissociative identity disorder (DID), previously known as multiple personality disorder, is a mental disorder characterized by at least two distinct and relatively enduring personality states.

    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    The key is found here. It's the Holy Spirit that does the actual quickening.

    Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
    That would make us God, which is also not true.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    You can only judge what you see. It takes something more to judge more. But no one should be judged like this. Basically, if you don't know something don't make a judgment.
    There are a lot of different things people would or might say about judgment or judging others. We are not to judge outsiders.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and I am an adopted son of God. You said that I am not a son of The Most High God. I am.
    I must say that I do not have anything to say simply that I am adopted. There is the adoption as sons but the objection has been that this is not for now.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
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    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Jesus is the Son of God. He is the product of a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother, but on Earth he was born to a body by Mary. He is kind of a demigod, but it is most appropriate that we just call him the Son of God. We should show gratitude for his atonement and come to love him and our Heavenly Father. Luke 1: 28-35. The bible also has accounts showing God head as three separate beings: Matthew 3:16-17, Mark 1:9-11, and Luke 3: 21-22. Also fun fact in the scriptures they italicize words added to make it make sense. That by no means means it is always the correct interpretation. Translating can be pretty tricky as I am hungry in French is I have hunger (J'ai faim). No, my name is not hungry and I am not the embodiment of hunger, but stuff like that exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolguar View Post
    Jesus is the Son of God. He is the product of a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother, but on Earth he was born to a body by Mary. He is kind of a demigod, but it is most appropriate that we just call him the Son of God. We should show gratitude for his atonement and come to love him and our Heavenly Father. Luke 1: 28-35. The bible also has accounts showing God head as three separate beings: Matthew 3:16-17, Mark 1:9-11, and Luke 3: 21-22. Also fun fact in the scriptures they italicize words added to make it make sense. That by no means means it is always the correct interpretation. Translating can be pretty tricky as I am hungry in French is I have hunger (J'ai faim). No, my name is not hungry and I am not the embodiment of hunger, but stuff like that exists.

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    Sorry. No Heavenly Mother for Jesus.

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