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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
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    There are two days of rest. One is when one comes to the revelations of Jesus Christ.


    Heb 4:8-11
    8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.
    9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
    10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
    11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

    And the second Day Of Rest is when the Lord comes and rules for a thousand years.
    What is the Sabbath, Squeaky?

    Exodus 31:15, Exodus 35:2, Leviticus 16:31, Leviticus 23:3, 32,
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    What is the Sabbath, Squeaky?

    Exodus 31:15, Exodus 35:2, Leviticus 16:31, Leviticus 23:3, 32,
    I said
    lol You at your own evidence. All old testament. Doesnt that tell you something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
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    lol You at your own evidence. All old testament. Doesnt that tell you something.
    That he teaches as Peter did in Acts 2 using only OT TEXTS

    Acts 2:21 Joel 2:28-32
    Acts 2:28 Psalm 16:8-11
    Acts 2:35 Psalm 110:1

    Paul was clear to imitate him as he imitated Yahushua

    However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets Acts 24:14

    Then Paul made his defense: "I have committed no offense against the law of the Jews” Acts 25:8

    But I have had God's help to this day, and I stand here to testify to small and great alike. I am saying nothing beyond what the prophets and Moses said would happen: Acts 26:22

    So they set a day to meet with Paul, and many people came to the place he was staying. He expounded to them from morning to evening, testifying about the kingdom of God and persuading them about Jesus from the Law of Moses and the Prophets. Acts 28:23



    That Squeaky insists the OT was not brought into the NT is exactly non believing jewish thinking.

    Peter was clear


    The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go Acts 3:13

    Peter taught beginning with Samuel, all the prophets who have spoken have foretold these days Acts 3:24

    In fact jews hated to think the OT was brought into the New Testament age...

    Here is a list of OT texts brought into the NT

    https://www.kalvesmaki.com/LXX/NTChart.htm

    A list for which jews killed Him for...and Stephen and all the apostles for teaching that their OT spoke of Him...oy veh!!

    Squeaky would even reject the teaching of Yahushua, Lord of the Sabbath...on the walk to Emmaus

    Luke 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    That he teaches as Peter did in Acts 2 using only OT TEXTS

    Acts 2:21 Joel 2:28-32
    Acts 2:28 Psalm 16:8-11
    Acts 2:35 Psalm 110:1

    Paul was clear to imitate him as he imitated Yahushua

    However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets Acts 24:14

    Then Paul made his defense: "I have committed no offense against the law of the Jews” Acts 25:8

    But I have had God's help to this day, and I stand here to testify to small and great alike. I am saying nothing beyond what the prophets and Moses said would happen: Acts 26:22

    So they set a day to meet with Paul, and many people came to the place he was staying. He expounded to them from morning to evening, testifying about the kingdom of God and persuading them about Jesus from the Law of Moses and the Prophets. Acts 28:23



    That Squeaky insists the OT was not brought into the NT is exactly non believing jewish thinking.

    Peter was clear


    The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go Acts 3:13

    Peter taught beginning with Samuel, all the prophets who have spoken have foretold these days Acts 3:24

    In fact jews hated to think the OT was brought into the New Testament age...

    Here is a list of OT texts brought into the NT

    https://www.kalvesmaki.com/LXX/NTChart.htm

    A list for which jews killed Him for...and Stephen and all the apostles for teaching that their OT spoke of Him...oy veh!!

    Squeaky would even reject the teaching of Yahushua, Lord of the Sabbath...on the walk to Emmaus

    Luke 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
    I said
    lol Atleast your trying to find something in the new testament. But until you confess whether your a man or a woman I cant cast my pearls before the swine or dogs and your a dog.

    [Mat 7:6
    [6] "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
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    lol Atleast your trying to find something in the new testament. But until you confess whether your a man or a woman I cant cast my pearls before the swine or dogs and your a dog.

    [Mat 7:6
    [6] "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
    Your pearls are not pure...you turned back to your vomit...would have been better for you to not even have heard the holy commandment...

    Back to your weak and beggarly NOT HIS WAYS...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Your pearls are not pure...you turned back to your vomit...would have been better for you to not even have heard the holy commandment...

    Back to your weak and beggarly NOT HIS WAYS...
    I said
    lol Bits and pieces, bits and pieces> That doesnt change the fact that your living a lie. You cant be honest. Your refuse to speak truth with your neighbor. You are full of guile and deception.

    [Eph 4:20-25 NKJV] [20] But you have not so learned Christ,
    [21] if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus:
    [22] that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts,
    [23] and be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
    [24] and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.
    [25] Therefore, putting away lying, "[Let] each one [of you] speak truth with his neighbor," for we are members of one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
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    lol You at your own evidence. All old testament. Doesnt that tell you something.
    Up to old tricks Squeaky? Is Genesis through Malachi Scripture? Don't you realize, aren't you aware that the all scripture is;

    2 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
    16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    What tells you that God has negated the Old Testament? I am aware of Hebrews Chapters eight and nine. The old is passing away by not gone.
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Up to old tricks Squeaky? Is Genesis through Malachi Scripture? Don't you realize, aren't you aware that the all scripture is;

    2 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
    16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    What tells you that God has negated the Old Testament? I am aware of Hebrews Chapters eight and nine. The old is passing away by not gone.
    I said

    ABOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT
    FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT
    Heb 8:13
    13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
    2 Cor 3:14-15
    14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
    15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
    Gal 2:21
    21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
    Gal 4:4-5
    4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
    5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
    John 10:8-9
    8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
    9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
    1 Cor 10:1-12
    1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea,
    2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
    3 all ate the same spiritual food,
    4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
    5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
    6 Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted.
    7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, "The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play."
    8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell;
    9 nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents;
    10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer.
    11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, on whom the ends of the ages have come.
    12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.
    Rom 13:8
    8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
    John 6:63
    63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
    John 4:23-24
    23 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
    24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
    John 17:17
    17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
    John 3:34
    34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
    John 3:33
    33 "He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true.
    John 3:35-36
    35 "The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.
    36 "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
    Rom 8:1-2
    1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
    2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
    Rom 8:3-8
    3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
    4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
    5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
    6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
    7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
    8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
    John 14:26
    26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
    Gal 2:19-21
    19 "For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.
    20 "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
    21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
    Gal 3:24-25
    24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
    25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
    Gal 5:1-5
    1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
    2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
    3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
    4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
    5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
    Gal 4:21
    21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?
    Rom 7:4-6
    4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another-- to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
    5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.
    6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
    Rom 13:10
    10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
    1 Pet 2:19-21
    19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
    20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
    21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
    II Jn 1:9-11
    9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
    10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
    11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
    John 1:17
    17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
    (NKJ)

    xxx Jesus wants everyone who is going to be a christian to understand that the new covenant(testament) is just that new. That you cant go back and keep any part of the old testament that Jesus hasnt brought over to the new testament. Jesus new what to bring over man doesnt. But the old testament has to be obsolete to you in order for you to get the fullness of the new testament. 1John 1-9 is very specific if you dont abide(live) in the new testament you dont have the real God. There IS a veil over the old testament that remains to THIS day.
    If Jesus were in the old testament this verse could only be meant for God and the angels. But Jesus wasnt in the old testament.

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    John 10:8-9
    8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
    9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

    xxx Jesus nailed the old testament to the cross. If you have nailed the old testament to your cross, you are in Christianity. Jesus brought over to the new testament somethings that were good. But what He didnt bring over and you keep it can condemn you.The old testament is the testament of God. The new testament is the testament of Jesus Christ. Be believing them you turn them into a covenant. A covenant is a contract.


    Col 2:13-14
    13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
    14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
    (NKJ)

    Acts 15:10
    10 "Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
    (NKJ)

    Acts 15:24-29
    24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, 'You must be circumcised and keep the law'-- to whom we gave no such commandment--
    25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
    26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.
    28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
    29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.
    (NKJ)


    Rom 2:1-29

    1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
    2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.
    3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?
    4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?
    5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
    6 who "will render to each one according to his deeds":
    7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
    8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness-- indignation and wrath,
    9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;
    10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
    11 For there is no partiality with God.
    12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
    13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
    14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,
    15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
    16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.
    17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God,
    18 and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law,
    19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness,
    20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law.
    21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal?
    22 You who say, "Do not commit adultery," do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
    23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law?
    24 For "The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you," as it is written.
    25 For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
    26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision?
    27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?
    28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh;
    29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
    (NKJ)


    Heb 8:7
    7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
    (NKJ)

    Heb 10:1

    1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
    (NKJ)


    Col 2:11-14
    11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
    12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
    13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
    14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
    (NKJ)


    Heb 10:9
    9 then He said, "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
    (NKJ)


    Gal 5:1-4

    1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
    2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
    3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
    4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
    (NKJ)
    Luke 16:13
    13 "No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."


    Gal 3:10
    10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
    (NKJ)


    Rom 7:1-4
    1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
    2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband.
    3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.
    4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another-- to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
    (NKJ)

    Rom 11:28
    28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
    (NKJ)

    Gal 5:11
    11 And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased.
    (NKJ)

    Acts 21:20-21
    20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord. And they said to him, "You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law;
    21 "but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs.
    (NKJ)



    xxx Jesus nailed the old testament to the cross. If you have nailed the old testament to your cross, you are in Christianity.


    Jesus changed the priesthood,He changed the Law, He annulled the commandments, and He made the covenant obsolete.

    Heb 7:11-12
    11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?
    12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
    (NKJ)

    Heb 7:18
    18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
    (NKJ)

    Heb 8:13
    13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
    (NKJ)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    John 10:8-9
    8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
    9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

    xxx Jesus nailed the old testament to the cross. If you have nailed the old testament to your cross, you are in Christianity. Jesus brought over to the new testament somethings that were good. But what He didnt bring over and you keep it can condemn you.The old testament is the testament of God. The new testament is the testament of Jesus Christ. Be believing them you turn them into a covenant. A covenant is a contract.


    Col 2:13-14
    13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
    14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
    (NKJ)

    Acts 15:10
    10 "Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
    (NKJ)

    Acts 15:24-29
    24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, 'You must be circumcised and keep the law'-- to whom we gave no such commandment--
    25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
    26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.
    28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
    29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.
    (NKJ)


    Rom 2:1-29

    1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
    2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.
    3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?
    4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?
    5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
    6 who "will render to each one according to his deeds":
    7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
    8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness-- indignation and wrath,
    9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;
    10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
    11 For there is no partiality with God.
    12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
    13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
    14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,
    15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
    16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.
    17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God,
    18 and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law,
    19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness,
    20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law.
    21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal?
    22 You who say, "Do not commit adultery," do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
    23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law?
    24 For "The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you," as it is written.
    25 For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
    26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision?
    27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?
    28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh;
    29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
    (NKJ)


    Heb 8:7
    7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
    (NKJ)

    Heb 10:1

    1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
    (NKJ)


    Col 2:11-14
    11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
    12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
    13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
    14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
    (NKJ)


    Heb 10:9
    9 then He said, "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
    (NKJ)


    Gal 5:1-4

    1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
    2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
    3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
    4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
    (NKJ)
    Luke 16:13
    13 "No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."


    Gal 3:10
    10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
    (NKJ)


    Rom 7:1-4
    1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
    2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband.
    3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.
    4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another-- to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
    (NKJ)

    Rom 11:28
    28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
    (NKJ)

    Gal 5:11
    11 And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased.
    (NKJ)

    Acts 21:20-21
    20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord. And they said to him, "You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law;
    21 "but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs.
    (NKJ)



    xxx Jesus nailed the old testament to the cross. If you have nailed the old testament to your cross, you are in Christianity.


    Jesus changed the priesthood,He changed the Law, He annulled the commandments, and He made the covenant obsolete.

    Heb 7:11-12
    11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?
    12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
    (NKJ)

    Heb 7:18
    18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
    (NKJ)

    Heb 8:13
    13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
    (NKJ)
    The first five books-Pentateuch) . Torah
    The New Testament lifestyle is the one Yahushua lived. He signed and sealed the New Testament with His death...NO CHANGES AFTER TESTATOR DIES...you wanna live the New Testament covenant?...you follow Him His way...the way He lived...just as...

    WWJD?...do that...that is the New Testament way of life...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    The New Testament lifestyle is the one Yahushua lived. He signed and sealed the New Testament with His death...NO CHANGES AFTER TESTATOR DIES...you wanna live the New Testament covenant?...you follow Him His way...the way He lived...just as...

    WWJD?...do that...that is the New Testament way of life...
    I said
    lol You cant be trusted or believed. You have destroyed your own credibility.

    [Eph 5:11
    [11] And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose [them].

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    lol You cant be trusted or believed. You have destroyed your own credibility.

    [Eph 5:11
    [11] And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose [them].
    Oh boo you are really such a kill joy...

    Getting all personal and pouty...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Oh boo you are really such a kill joy...

    Getting all personal and pouty...
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    lolol Honesty is core of witness. If you cant be faithful over such a little thing, why should anyone listen to you over the deeper things.

    [Luk 16:10-11
    [10] "He who [is] faithful in [what is] least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in [what is] least is unjust also in much.
    [11] "Therefore if you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true [riches]?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
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    lolol Honesty is core of witness. If you cant be faithful over such a little thing, why should anyone listen to you over the deeper things.

    [Luk 16:10-11
    [10] "He who [is] faithful in [what is] least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in [what is] least is unjust also in much.
    [11] "Therefore if you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true [riches]?
    Honesty is the core of witness? And yet there is a difference between honesty and Truth...a sinner can be honest and yet not be True.

    His followers are concerned more with TRUTH than honesty as only Truth saves and not honesty...His followers wish to follow Him His way and whether what they hear is TRUE and NOT if it came from goyim, man or woman (neither of which are IN HIM) Angel or Satan, demon or donkey...

    Test to see if all things are True...not honest...as a fellow brother IN HIM I encourage you to judge yourself honestly to see if your fruit MATCH HIS HIS FRUIT HIS ROOT...

    Is your fruit TRUE...or honestly another

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Honesty is the core of witness? And yet there is a difference between honesty and Truth...a sinner can be honest and yet not be True.

    His followers are concerned more with TRUTH than honesty as only Truth saves and not honesty...His followers wish to follow Him His way and whether what they hear is TRUE and NOT if it came from goyim, man or woman (neither of which are IN HIM) Angel or Satan, demon or donkey...

    Test to see if all things are True...not honest...as a fellow brother IN HIM I encourage you to judge yourself honestly to see if your fruit MATCH HIS HIS FRUIT HIS ROOT...

    Is your fruit TRUE...or honestly another

    i SAID
    If you dont have honesty you won't have truth.

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