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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Good to see that GT and Meshak are not alone in their cluelessness where the obvious is presented to them also.

    Acts 17: 11, 12.
    Maybe you can tell me oh enlightened one

    JOHN 3 [12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? [13] And NO MAN HATH ASCENDED UP TO HEAVEN, BUT HE THAT CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

    Can you tell me if scripture above will suddenly vanish from your bibles after you are raptured to heaven

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Good to see that GT and Meshak are not alone in their cluelessness where the obvious is presented to them also.

    Acts 17: 11, 12.
    JOHN 7 [33] Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I GO UNTO HIM THAT SENT ME.[34] Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and WHERE I AM, THITHER YE CANNOT COME.

    Will scripture above also vanish from your bible when you join darby in his rapture. Give me a clue.

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    JOHN 17 [14] I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. [15] I PRAY NOT THAT THOU SHOULDEST TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WORLD, BUT THAT THOU SHOULDEST KEEP THEM FROM THE EVIL.

    Jesus speaking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DansingWall View Post
    JOHN 17 [14] I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. [15] I PRAY NOT THAT THOU SHOULDEST TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WORLD, BUT THAT THOU SHOULDEST KEEP THEM FROM THE EVIL.

    Jesus speaking!
    About WHOM?

    Jesus came to ISRAEL during His earthly ministry. He made that clear, Paul makes that clear... it's completely CLEAR.

    Mat 15:24 KJV But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    Rom 15:8 KJV Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

    2Co 5:16-17 KJV Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. (17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    About WHOM?

    Jesus came to ISRAEL during His earthly ministry. He made that clear, Paul makes that clear... it's completely CLEAR.

    Mat 15:24 KJV But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    Rom 15:8 KJV Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

    2Co 5:16-17 KJV Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. (17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
    Yeah, ive watch Les Feldick to. He {and you} like to leave out scripture below {also from Paul} very clear

    ROMANS 10 [11] For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12] For there is NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE JEW AND THE GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13] For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DansingWall View Post
    Yeah, ive watch Les Feldick to. He {and you} like to leave out scripture below {also from Paul} very clear

    ROMANS 10 [11] For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12] For there is NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE JEW AND THE GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13] For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
    And WHERE did you find this information?..... PAUL.... Jesus did NOT preach this during HIS earthly ministry to ISRAEL.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DansingWall View Post
    Yeah, ive watch Les Feldick to.
    Who?



    By the way, your spelling is atrocious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    And WHERE did you find this information?
    In the ole King James bible. The WORD of God? Where do you find your information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Who?



    By the way, your spelling is atrocious.
    Thanxs. Ive heard that meny a times

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    Quote Originally Posted by DansingWall View Post
    In the ole King James bible. The WORD of God? Where do you find your information?
    Whoooossh..... right over your head!
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    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DansingWall View Post
    In the ole King James bible. The WORD of God? Where do you find your information?
    You apparently don't know what a rhetorical question is...

    RD answered the question already.

    Dansing, please point out in Jesus' entire ministry where he is recorded uttering the word "grace."

    We'll wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DansingWall View Post
    Thanxs. Ive heard that meny a times
    So, being willfully ignorant somehow makes it better?


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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Who?

    Feldick. A tv Rapturist. Quite wrong on many points. Dont know if hes a good speller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DansingWall View Post
    Feldick. A tv Rapturist. Quite wrong on many points. Dont know if hes a good speller.
    No idea who you're talking about.

    I'm a "sola scriptura" kinda guy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DansingWall View Post
    So which of those scriptures you posted SAY we are going to heaven at the so called rapture event?
    All of them do.

    Actually, to be more accurate, they all answer your original question which you have now changed.

    I don't know if you've intentionally moved the goal post here or if this is just a case where you failed to clearly communicate your intended question originally but regardless, it doesn't matter because you'd have not been convinced anyway.

    Whether you've figured it out yet or not, while providing proof texts has it's place, as a general rule, proof-texting convinces no one of anything. I learned many years ago that it is an almost totally fruitless waste of time to compile a list of bible verses to prove someone wrong about their pet doctrine and so I actively avoid doing it.

    That, however, is not the reason I didn't post such a list. The reason I didn't post a list of proof texts is because it would have granted you a premise that you have no right to. Let's say you're right and that there are no passages that say that we go to heaven at the rapture.

    So what?

    That isn't an argument. I mean, it is an argument but it isn't a valid one. It's called an argument from silence and there is really good reason why such arguments are considered fallacious. If you have constructed your doctrine on such a basis you are on very shaky ground indeed.

    Thus, if you wish to convince anyone that your doctrine is true you would do well to simply make an affirmative argument and challenge those who disagree to refute it.

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    Last edited by Clete; January 11th, 2019 at 10:12 AM.

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