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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    He may be a spiritual Jew. and I know you don't believe in the spiritual Jews.
    The only way to be a Jew today is either ethnically or by following a false religion.

    There is no possible way for anyone to rightly "keep the feast of weeks to get to my day of atonement". Both apply to a theological system which is no longer in play. I mean, you can play pretend and go through all the rituals and practices associated with the Jewish Feasts if you want but they won't profit you any more than if you yelled "Boogala! Boogala! Boogala!" while jumping up and down on one foot while patting your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Hmmm Matt 24:20 has Yahushua instructing prayers be said that their fleeing not happen in winter or on a Sabbath...seems like they are neck deep in trials and tribulations...and yet winter is happening...oh and the Sabbath too...odd
    I surely have you on ignore for good reason so I have no doubt that I'm going to regret this but...

    What does Matt. 24:20 have to do with the rapture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    The only way to be a Jew today is either ethnically or by following a false religion.

    There is no possible way for anyone to rightly "to keep the feast of weeks to get to my day of atonement". Both apply to a theological system which is no longer in play. I mean, you can play pretend and go through all the rituals and practices associated with the Jewish Feasts if you want but they won't profit you any more than if you yelled "Boogala! Boogala! Boogala!" while jumping up and down on one foot while patting your head.

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    suit yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    So, you're saying that we are raptured (i.e. caught up - harpazō - together with Him) so as to become the armies which follow Christ back to Earth? That's a new one.
    You will not find one scripture saying we are going to heaven after meeting the Lord in the air. Not a one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DansingWall View Post
    You will not find one scripture saying we are going to heaven after meeting the Lord in the air. Not a one.
    So what?

    Is that your idea of an argument?

    Just where do you think we are caught up to, 30,000 ft?

    We are citizens of Heaven from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior who's Father has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    So what?

    Is that your idea of an argument?

    Just where do you think we are caught up too, 30,000 ft?

    We are citizens of Heaven from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Him.


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    You are a delusional,usurping Jesus' authority of salvation

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    You are a delusional,usurping Jesus' authority of salvation
    What?

    I quoted the bible, you idiot!

    Philipians 3:20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.

    Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    What?

    I quoted the bible, you idiot!
    citizens of Heaven from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior who's Father has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Him.

    It is a promise of His followers.

    You claim you are saved already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    It is a promise of His followers.

    You claim you are saved already.
    You're a fool.

    Welcome to my ignore list.

    Good bye!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    You're a fool.

    Welcome to my ignore list.

    Good bye!

    that's how it goes when you cannot back up your claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DansingWall View Post
    You will not find one scripture saying we are going to heaven after meeting the Lord in the air. Not a one.
    Nonsense.

    Ephesians 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

    Philippians 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

    Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; ) 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

    Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    1 Corinthians 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

    Colossians 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

    Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: 3:7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

    Because, as is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

    And so on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    that's how it goes when you cannot back up your claims.
    Every claim I've made on this thread has basically been a direct quote of the bible.

    You're now on ignore because you cannot stay on topic and say simply the stupidest, disconnected nonsense that it seems possible to say and still be in the English language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    Every claim I've made on this thread has basically been a direct quote of the bible.

    You're now on ignore because you cannot stay on topic and say simply the stupidest, disconnected nonsense that it seems possible to say and still be in the English language.
    convenient excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    The only way to be a Jew today is either ethnically or by following a false religion.

    There is no possible way for anyone to rightly "keep the feast of weeks to get to my day of atonement". Both apply to a theological system which is no longer in play. I mean, you can play pretend and go through all the rituals and practices associated with the Jewish Feasts if you want but they won't profit you any more than if you yelled "Boogala! Boogala! Boogala!" while jumping up and down on one foot while patting your head.

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    Ethnic jews?

    LOL

    What? Ashkenazi?

    Don’t be anti-Semitic mmmkay?

    There are some that are Semitic still...


    Don’t forget Sephardi,

    Or the Mizrahi or...

    Jews in fact are Ethiopian Chinese German French Polish Russian but yet all one ethnicity...

    Oh boy...

    Now how are they one religion? Which of the many versions of Judaism is false?

    I mean besides Zionism...

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    convenient excuse.
    Yes, Sacred Scripture is convenient.... if one understands it.

    Not an excuse.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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