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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    When a person believes, his name is written in the book of life, and he is guaranteed to receive eternal life at the return of Jesus.
    You obviously do not understand the "present" tense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    You obviously do not understand the "present" tense.

    Luke 10:20
    20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.


    I know why the disciples were to rejoice because their names are written in heaven.

    Philippians 4:3
    3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    When a person believes, his name is written in the book of life, and he is guaranteed to receive eternal life at the return of Jesus.
    According to you eternal life won't be possessed by believers until the return of the Lord Jesus but in order to make that outlandish statement you just deny what the Apostle John said here:

    "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son" (1 Jn.5:11).

    It's a done deal but since you refuse to believe the Scriptures you remain confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    According to you eternal life won't be possessed by believers until the return of the Lord Jesus
    It is not according to me, it is according to the Bible.

    1 Corinthians 15:51-54
    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    but in order to make that outlandish statement you just deny what the Apostle John said here:

    "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son" (1 Jn.5:11).

    It's a done deal but since you refuse to believe the Scriptures you remain confused.
    The Bible says we are given eternal life when we believe but the Bible also says we are not given eternal life until Jesus returns.
    You have chosen to believe the verses that say we are given eternal life when we believe.
    Since you cannot accept the verses that say we are not given eternal life until Jesus returns, you have chosen to reject those verses.

    On the other hand, I refuse to reject either set of verses, so I have to find a way to reconcile the apparent contradiction in my mind so I can accept both sets of verses.
    The way I have reconciled the apparent contradiction is by recognizing that several verses in the Bible state that we are given the promise of eternal life.
    A promise is not a statement about something we have already attained.
    A promise is a statement about something we will attain at some future time.

    When we believe, we are already "saved" and already have "eternal life" because we have been given the promise that we will be saved and receive eternal life when Jesus returns.
    But, we have not yet attained true salvation and this mortal has not yet put on immortality.

    We have been given an earnest as a guarantee that the promise of eternal life will be fulfilled.

    2 Corinthians 5:5
    5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    The Bible says we are given eternal life when we believe but the Bible also says we are not given eternal life until Jesus returns.
    You have chosen to believe the verses that say we are given eternal life when we believe.
    If you would actually use your brain you would know that a person has already been given eternal life (1 Jn.5:11) so that means that he has eternal life prior to the appearance of the Lord Jesus.

    It is true that Christians will not put on immortal bodies until the appearance of the Lord Jesus but the inward man has already received eternal life:

    "Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you. For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God. For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day" (2 Cor.4:214-16).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    If you would actually use your brain you would know that a person has already been given eternal life (1 Jn.5:11) so that means that he has eternal life prior to the appearance of the Lord Jesus.

    It is true that Christians will not put on immortal bodies until the appearance of the Lord Jesus but the inward man has already received eternal life:

    "Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you. For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God. For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day" (2 Cor.4:214-16).
    If you will be raised up in the future, then it is painfully obvious that you don't have eternal life, yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    If you will be raised up in the future, then it is painfully obvious that you don't have eternal life, yet.
    You are so inept in regard to understanding the Scriptures that you are unable to tell the difference between the outward man and the inward man!

    The only thing that is painful is your ignorance!

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    A "half time" summary of the 2 "contenders"(loosely employed) on the "thread," so far-Jer and GO:




    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    You seem to be very confused about...it's according to the bible...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    You are confused...you refuse to believe the Scriptures you remain confused.

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    We know that you are trying to change the subject of this thread because you don't want to let others to see that eternal life is a "gift" because you teach that the Jews who lived under the law could only receive that gift by doing "works."

    You've been taking lessons from "God's Truth" behind our backs and it won't be long before you will argue on her side that those living in the present dispensation must also do "works" to receive the gift. For some reason you are attracted to nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    You are so inept in regard to understanding the Scriptures that you are unable to tell the difference between the outward man and the inward man!
    You are mistaken if you think the inward man has eternal life when the body can die.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    You are mistaken if you think the inward man has eternal life when the body can die.
    Then tell me why John said the following words to those who have since died physically:

    "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son"
    (1 Jn.5:11).

    Even though John told these believers that they had already been given eternal life you refuse to believe it. You obviously pick and choose which passages from the Bible you will believe and which ones you will deny.

    "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth"
    (2 Tim.3:7).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Here we read that "eternal life" is a gift:

    "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Ro.6:23).

    In the following verse we read that those who received the Apostle John's first epistle were told that they already possessed eternal life in the Lord Jesus:

    "And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son" (1 Jn.5:11).

    Despite the fact that this eternal life which John said that these believers had received is a "gift" there are many posters on this site who insist that in order for these Jews to receive this gift they had to endure to the end to receive this eternal life. If they are right then perhaps they will tell us why John told them that they already have eternal life in the Son.

    These same people also say that the Jews who lived under the law could not be saved and receive this gift of eternal life apart from "works." But they never explain why these believers had to do "works" in order to receive this gift. They don't seem to realize that if one has to work to get the reward the reward cannot be classified as a "gift."

    In fact, the Savior Himself told the Jews who lived under the law that the gift is received by faith and faith alone:

    "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (Jn.5:24).

    Those who teach that the Jews who lived under the law could not be saved apart from "works" never give us their interpretation of the meaning of the Lord Jesus' words at John 5:24.

    Why not?

    Probably for the same reason that they will avoid this thread like the plague.
    We must distinguish between the gospel period which describes, amnong other things, some of what Jesus Christ did to pay the price so that eternal life could be a gift, in contrast to this age of grace which is based on the completed works of Jesus' first earthly ministry. That is, in this age of grace, the gift of eternal life has already been purchased by the works of Jesus Christ

    There is no contradiction whatsoever,
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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