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    Satan and the Gospel

    The entrance into heaven is by faith in Christ and his Gospel. No one will be saved that has not embraced this Gospel as their only means of salvation. It is Satan's purpose to hide and confuse this Gospel. Jesus said, "Few there be that find it" Matthew 7:14. Few there be that find it, because few there be that seek it. What most have found is religion. Religion is the broad way that leads to destruction, Jesus said, "Many there be that go that way" Matthew 7:13.

    There is much resistance on this Forum towards the Gospel and justification by faith. Satan's presence is evident. Those that preach and teach the Gospel do not last long on this Forum.

    WHAT ARE THE MECHANICS OF THE GOSPEL?

    In the Gospel, God in the person of Jesus Christ comes into the world as the new Adam and the new representative of the human race, his mission is to do for us that which we cannot do for ourselves because we are sinners, Romans 3:10. This salvation is totally and completely outside of us, it took place over 2000 years ago before we were born.

    Jesus is our substitute and our representative. Everything that Jesus is and everything that Jesus does is for our justification and our salvation. He saves us by acting in our name and on our behalf. Here is a list of his accomplishments.

    He fulfills God's Holy Law, Matthew 5:18 and then abolishes it, Ephesians 2:15.

    He atones for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

    He ascends into heaven and is accepted by God the Father, Hebrews 1:3.

    When God accepted Jesus back into heaven we were accepted in him.

    "And has raised us up together and has made us to sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" Ephesians 2:6. "For you are dead and your life is hid with Christ in God" Colossians 3:3.

    God now sees all that have embraced this Gospel as perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10. This is the Gospel and how we are saved, Ephesians 1:13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    There is much resistance on this Forum towards the Gospel and justification by faith. Satan's presence is evident. Those that preach and teach the Gospel do not last long on this Forum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    I am the only one on this Forum that preaches the Gospel and justification by faith....You don't believe the bible....You don't believe Paul...I am the only one on this Forum that believes the bible...The only ones left on this forum are religious reprobates, it is quite evident.
    Any other decrees you want to share with us, papa/pope Pate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    In the Gospel, God in the person of Jesus Christ comes into the world as the new Adam .....
    "Pate-ianity" continues its satanic MO, of deleting biblical words, substituting its own, adding words to the bible, and corrupting, butchering, the meaning of biblical words.


    1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV

    And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


    Vs.

    1 Pate 6:66

    And so it is written by Pate, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the new Adam was made a quickening spirit.


    Next up, from Pate-ianity: Mary is "the new Eve."
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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    "Pate-ianity" continues its satanic MO, of deleting biblical words, substituting its own, adding words to the bible, and corrupting, butchering, the meaning of biblical words.


    1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV

    And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


    Vs.

    1 Pate 6:66

    And so it is written by Pate, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the new Adam was made a quickening spirit.


    Next up, from Pate-ianity: Mary is "the new Eve."

    Speak of the Devil and he shows up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Jesus is our substitute and our representative.
    Explain what you mean by "substitute." Lay it out, instead of just spamming verses, in isolation, w/o explanation. Substitute for WHAT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Speak of the Devil and he shows up.
    No, that would be you, child of the devil, as your father taught you how to diminish from, add to, corrupt the book, redefine words, way back in Genesis 3 KJV, and he should you more, in Luke 4.

    Members of the boc are on to you, wolf.


    Tell all of TOL, why you corrupted scripture, deleting from, adding to, 1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV.


    Go ahead. The last time that I asked you that,....

    Answer the question, deceiver:What right do you have to delete words from the book?
    His satanic "answer," also deleting the verses from the book, that prohibit deleting from/adding to the bible:


    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    I have the freedom to use the scripture as I see fit.



    No, you don't-you made that up, habitual liar, like your father.


    Pate-DELETES these verses:



    Deuteronomy 4 KJV

    Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you. 2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you....... 32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.



    Pate-anity: To h with you, "god!!!!!" I can destroy 3/4 of your scriptures, make it void,and add to it!!!!!! I have the freedom to do that!!!!





    Proverbs 30 KJV


    5 Every word of God is pure:he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.6 Add thou not unto his words,lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.



    Pate-anity: To h with you, "god!!!!!" I can destroy 3/4 of your scriptures, make it void, and add to it!!!!!!I have the freedom to do that!!!!




    Isaiah 8 KJV

    20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.



    Pate-anity: To h with you, "god!!!!!" I can destroy 3/4 of your scriptures, make it void, and add to it!!!!!! And your word no longer includes the OT-it was abolished!!!!!!!I have the freedom to do that!!!!




    Jeremiah 26 KJV


    2 Thus saith the Lord; Stand in the court of the Lord’s house, and speak unto all the cities of Judah, which come to worship in the Lord’s house, all the words that I command thee to speak unto them; diminish not a word:


    Pate-anity: To h with you, "god!!!!!" I can destroy 3/4 of your scriptures, make it void,and add to it!!!!!! I have the freedom to do that!!!!




    Your daddy the devil is patting you on the back, again, wolf. Like father, like son....

    Sssssssssssssssssssssssss...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    He fulfills God's Holy Law, Matthew 5:18 and then abolishes it, Ephesians 2:15.
    Pretty good... all except your silly "Jesus kept the law for us" nonsense.

    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5303937
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    He fulfills God's Holy Law, Matthew 5:18 and then abolishes it, Ephesians 2:15.
    =spammed on every one of his duplicate, satanic "threads."

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Ephesians 2:15 says that the law has been abolished. Romans 10:4 says that Christ is the end of the law. No matter how many scriptures that I quote you still cannot believe. Romans 7:1-6 is proof that the law has been abolished.
    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    The law is your Jesus. Paul plainly says that the law has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. The reason that you cannot read and believe the scriptures is because you are as spiritually dead as a rock.
    No, it does not, you filthy, habitual liar, as you spam the above every other post, per your daddy devil's orders.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Paul plainly says that the law has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14, 2 Corinthians 3:13.

    =word=for-word spam, that I/others, have refuted, with chapter, and verse, as the wicked deceiver changes words in the bible, replacing them with his Pate-ianity words, adds words to the bible, and butchers the meaning of words.


    Pate. calls Paul a liar, as Pate asserts that this should not be in the bible...



    Romans 3:31 KJV Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


    ...or revises it to:

    Pate-ianity: Do we then make void the law through faith? yea, we do!!! The law is void.


    You wicked deceiver, and your spamming Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14, 2 Corinthians 3:13, in isolation, satanically "interpreting" them, is from the pits of hell.

    No, satanic shill, when we talk about "nailing it to his cross", that is not the law itself, but the curse of the law, or the penalties for disobeying the existing law. It was the penalty of the broken law which He rendered inoperative, not the law itself.

    In that time period, when a man was charged with a crime, the charges against him were written down on papyrus. If he was found not guilty, the papyrus was then washed down with water, removing or blotting out those charges against him, to confirm his acquittal. This abolished the written charges against the man. This is the what is referred to in "blotting out of ordinances against us" that were nailed to the cross, not the law itself.

    The holy law is still God's standard of righteousness and all the requirements for the broken law remain unchanged, apart from Him.The certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross, not the law.The penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay was nailed--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty.

    No, it does not "plainly say" that God's perfect law was abolished, deceiver, despite your spam, posting verses in isolation, deleting 3/4 of the bible, including, where it "plainly" says:



    Matthew 5:17 KJV Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

    Psalms 111 KJV

    7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure.

    8 They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.

    ....to "prove" his doctrine of demons."

    He corrupts, perverts both Ephesians 2:15 KJV, Colossians 2:14 KJV, to prop up his satanic assertion that the perfect, holy, just, good, not void law of God, which reflects His character, is no longer in existence.


    Thus, Pate, on record, asserts that Christ died in vain, there was no reason to die, as He did not need to die to pay our IOU/sin debt, as all the LORD God had to do, was destroy/abolish/make void/eliminate the law, so there would not be a sin debt/IOU. Thus, he then,like the devil attempts to ...

    He satanically delete "the handwriting of ordinances" of Colossians 2:14 KJV, replacing it with "law/ordinances," thus perverting, corrupting the scriptures, making it look like Paul says that Christ blotted out, made void, the law/ordinances, making it look like Paul is saying that the law/ordinances are contrary/against us, not for our benefit, instead of Paul saying that the sin debt/IOU was blotted out, as that is what is contrary to us, against us, as Paul asserts that the law is perfect, good, holy, just, spiritual, not void, in Romans 11, and the problem is with man, and the sin debt/IOU for breaking a good, holy, spiritual law, not the law itself.



    Pate says the opposite, asserting that the problem is with the law, as it is not prefect/good/holy/spiritual,as he asserts that it causes us to sin, as it is sin, and the problem is not with man/him, and he asserts that the solution is to assert that Christ came to destroy/abolish/blot out the law, not to die for man's breaking the good, holy, spiritual, law of God.


    He keeps satanically spamming this made up slop, that Col. 2:13-14 KJV has God's holy laws in view, being nailed to the cross. I, and others, have corrected you on it, over, and over, and yet you keep asserting this satanic "doctrine." One more time, to protect the sheep/babes, from your lies:

    What was nailed to the cross is described as “the handwriting of requirements"-that was against us, which was contrary to us.” Because “ordinances” sounds like “law,” some, like sloppy Pate, twist the meaning of “nailed it to the cross” into Paul saying the force of the law of God ended at the death of the Lord Jesus Christ.




    The writ of charges...
    In using the words “handwriting of requirements … contrary to us … nailed it to the cross,” Paul was describing the record of our sins, the indictment that required the penalty of death.

    No, the indictments against believers, the charges against believers, the legal indebtedness against believers – was what was dropped, and nailed to the cross at the Lord Jesus Christ's death, rather than the law itself, which is consistently characterized in Scripture as eternal, and good...To wit:


    Romans 7 KJV

    12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

    13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

    14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

    15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

    16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

    “handwriting,”=a memorandum of debt, "a writing by hand" used in public and private contracts.


    The wages of our sins—our debt—is death (Romans 6:23). The Lord Jesus Christ was willing to pay that debt by dying in our place, thus blotting out the record of our debt and pardoning our sins.

    Survey the "death warrant" against us, because of our sin/sins is the sign that Pilate had nailed to the cross upon which the Lord Jesus Christ was crucified. John 19:19-22 KJV-It was customary to publish a writ of charges against the condemned, and the board above the Lord Jesus Christ's head was inscribed with the charges for which the Jewish authorities demanded His death. Thus, it was a Roman custom, to write the name of the condemned person and his crime on a plaque to be placed above his head at the execution. Survey Mark 15:26 KJV-"superscription of his accusation."

    26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, The King Of The Jews.




    The charges removed-the meaning, then, of Colossians 2:13-14 KJV, based upon the immediate and the broader context is: You gentile believers had a death sentence against you due to your sin/sins-here are the charges............... But through the dbr, everything that one time could have been held against you has been removed.

    The law against believers? No, it wasn’t God’s law that was against believers; it was the sins that they committed, as defined by that same holy, good law!. "the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,"= anything written by hand, but can more specifically apply to a legal document, bond or note of debt, was against us!!!!

    Paul is relaying that the LORD God has "wiped out," removed, "nailed to the cross," through the body of Christ , representing mankind's guilt, the instrument for the remembrance of sin. The legal basis of this instrument was the "binding statutes," Col. 2:14 KJV, but what the LORD God destroyed on the cross was not the legal ground, the law, for our entanglement into sin, but the written record of our sins. By destroying the record of sins, the LORD God removed the possibility of a charge ever being made again against those who have been forgiven-a dead man is not under jurisdiction to the law.

    " Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,"


    The above-a handwritten acknowledgement or note of debt, something like an I.O.U. When the debt was paid in full, the handwriting was invalidated by piercing it with something sharp like a nail.

    This "handwriting" was also used in the case of the crucifixion or punishment of a criminal. All the charges of which the person had been found guilty, were written on a piece of parchment, and nailed to the cross on which the person convicted of those crimes would be crucified. Everyone could then see why he was hanging there and what he had done to deserve such a cruel punishment.This written indictment/charge/accusation are seen in John 19:19-20: accusations that were hung on the cross, on which the Lord Jesus Christ hung:

    19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was Jesus Of Nazareth The King Of The Jews.

    20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.

    The "accusing witness," so to speak, against the sinner, the record book of his sins, the certificate of debt, or book of debt, was removed/nailed. The Lord Jesus Christ has "erased" it, removed it out of the court, out of the witness chair of the accuser. Not only is this record of our sins removed, but it is also "nailed to the cross" in the sense that the Lord Jesus Christ took our sins upon himself, and paid the penalty for them...Survey 2 Cor. 5:21 KJV.


    When we talk about "nailing it to his cross", that is not the law itself, but the curse of the law, or the penalties for disobeying the Law. It was the penalty of the broken law which He rendered inoperative, not the law itself.

    In that time period when a man was charged with a crime the charges against him were written down on papyrus. If he was found not guilty the papyrus was then washed down with water, removing or blotting out those charges against him, to confirm his acquittal. This abolished the written charges against the man. This is the what is referred to in "blotting out of ordinances against us" that were nailed to the Stake, not the Law itself.

    The law is still God's standard of righteousness and all the requirements for the broken law remain unchanged, apart from Him.



    Again-the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty.


    The certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross.



    Moreover, pardoning someone for committing a capital crime, doesn’t do away with the law that was broken. If anything, it shows that the law carries force, for without the pardon, the criminal would die!

    In the same way, the law of God carries force since breaking it (committing sin) requires the death penalty. The law is that powerful, that important. It is holy. People aren’t saved from that which was against them (the death penalty) by doing away with the law. What saves people from death is the death of the Lord Jesus Christ in the place of those who trust 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.

    In fact, the wording Paul employed Colossians 2:13-14 showed that the law of God continues to carry great force. By saying the penalty demanded under the law of God was nailed to the instrument that killed the Lord Jesus Christ, Paul was showing that the law of God was still in force, still requiring death for sin.

    By contrast, if the law had been brought to an abrupt end by the death of the Lord Jesus Christ, from that point on, nothing would be “against the law”-duh! Nothing could be called “sin.” Of course, we know that is not true. Sin exists, which means the law that calls it “sin” also exists!

    The Lord Jesus Christ nailed to the cross what was contrary to him...

    Ephesians 2:15 KJV "the law of commandments contained in ordinances;"
    Colossians 2:14 KJV "the handwriting of ordinances"
    Hebrews 7:16 KJV "the law of a carnal commandment"
    Hebrews 9:10 KJV "carnal ordinances;"

    What the Lord Jesus Christ abolished was carnal/fleshly commandments and ordinances, and hand written ordinances=that is the context..= the decrees of exclusion established by men, which were rooted in enmity between Jew & Gentile,such as “touch not, taste not, handle not”(survey Colossians 2:21 KJV), man-made social class/caste system set in place by Oral Torah, and Jewish leaders, attempting to keep a social and religious difference between Jews and Gentiles. Ordinances/decrees were laws that were man-made. Paul was referring to man-made orders, in this verse through the term “ordinance”. These “ordinances” were, yes, indeed hostile/”hate”/”enmity”, as they restrained anyone other than “Jews” worshiping God. These ordinances made a clear separation between Jew and Gentile, by elevating one above the other, to an “elite status,” to the extent where gentiles were looked down upon, scorned, and disassociated, by Jews everywhere………..


    And I already picked apart your 2 Corinthians 3:13 satanic interpretation, at length, and you had nothing to say, as your daddy devil told you to hush.

    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...John-3-7/page9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    He atones for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.
    As you've been asked, by me, others, over 100 times: Sin is the transgression of the law, as you've been shown, from the bible. You assert that the law was destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago. So, tell all of TOL, how you, anyone, can be charged with sins, having a sin debt, for sins in the future, by definition, if there is no law to be broken, that would mark the transgression, sin.


    Go ahead, Pate.


    Tell us how Christ can die for your/anyone's sins, paying the penalty for them, "justice served," by dying on your/our place, if no sin debt is "created."

    Go ahead.

    Watch the evasion, spam, disjointed, made up "response," just asserting sound bytes, telling me/others, that "We need the law...You don't believe the bible...Dead as a rock...," and more spam, never addressing challenges to his argument.


    Watch...
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    John W. has 0 understanding of the Gospel and justification by faith, reason is that he is spiritually dead. No one can understand or believe the Gospel if they have not been born again by the word of God, 1 Peter 1:23, which is the Gospel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    John W. has 0 understanding of the Gospel and justification by faith, reason is that he is spiritually dead. No one can understand or believe the Gospel if they have not been born again by the word of God, 1 Peter 1:23, which is the Gospel.
    As I predicted-spam, evasion, as he spams "(fill in the blank ) has 0 understanding of the Gospel and justification by faith, reason is that he is spiritually dead" to everyone on TOL, claiming that he, alone on TOL:

    -is saved
    -preaches "The Gospel"
    -believes the gospel
    -believes the bible
    -believes Paul

    ON RECORD.

    As you've been asked, by me, others, over 100 times: Sin is the transgression of the law, as you've been shown, from the bible. You assert that the law was destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago. So, tell all of TOL, how you, anyone, can be charged with sins, having a sin debt, for sins in the future, by definition, if there is no law to be broken, that would mark the transgression, sin.


    Go ahead, Pate.


    Tell us how Christ can die for your/anyone's sins, paying the penalty for them, "justice served," by dying on your/our place, if no sin debt is "created."

    Go ahead.

    Answer, Pate: How can Christ die for your/our sins,IN THE FUTURE, if, according to you, the law that defines sin, transgression, was eliminated, destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago?

    Answer. Pate: How can sin still exist for unbelievers,now, if the law that defines sin, transgression, was eliminated, destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago? No law, no transgression, demon.


    Watch his intoxicated, disjointed, dementia driven response.


    Watch the continued evasion, spam, disjointed, made up "response," just asserting sound bytes, telling me/others, that "We need the law...You don't believe the bible...Dead as a rock...," and more spam, never addressing challenges to his argument.


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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    As I predicted-spam, evasion, as he spams "(fill in the blank ) has 0 understanding of the Gospel and justification by faith, reason is that he is spiritually dead" to everyone on TOL, claiming that he, alone on TOL:

    -is saved
    -preaches "The Gospel"
    -believes the gospel
    -believes the bible
    -believes Paul

    ON RECORD.

    As you've been asked, by me, others, over 100 times: Sin is the transgression of the law, as you've been shown, from the bible. You assert that the law was destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago. So, tell all of TOL, how you, anyone, can be charged with sins, having a sin debt, for sins in the future, by definition, if there is no law to be broken, that would mark the transgression, sin.


    Go ahead, Pate.


    Tell us how Christ can die for your/anyone's sins, paying the penalty for them, "justice served," by dying on your/our place, if no sin debt is "created."

    Go ahead.

    Answer, Pate: How can Christ die for your/our sins,IN THE FUTURE, if, according to you, the law that defines sin, transgression, was eliminated, destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago?

    Answer. Pate: How can sin still exist for unbelievers,now, if the law that defines sin, transgression, was eliminated, destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago? No law, no transgression, demon.


    Watch his intoxicated, disjointed, dementia driven response.


    Watch the continued evasion, spam, disjointed, made up "response," just asserting sound bytes, telling me/others, that "We need the law...You don't believe the bible...Dead as a rock...," and more spam, never addressing challenges to his argument.


    Watch...

    John does not believe the Bible because he never or seldom quotes scripture. God sees all that are "In Christ" as perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

    In Jesus Christ we have been sanctified, justified and redeemed, 1 Corinthians 1:30.

    Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus we can now enter into his rest, Hebrews 4:10. We rest in his righteousness and in his atonement for our sins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    John does not believe the Bible because he never or seldom quotes scripture. God sees all that are "In Christ" as perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

    Shut your trap, you wicked satanist, as you just lied-again. =his spam, that he sends to everyone on TOL


    You habitual, sick liar, as I/others, again, have given you 10x the amount of scripture, that you spam, in isolation, deleting verses,and we expound them, in contrast to you just spamming them, without explaining them, you deceiving demon.When others challenge your perversions, you wicked troll, with chapter, verse, you just spam your sound bytes, that we don't know the gospel, are reprobates, don't believe the bible,................so shuck your lies, child of the devil.

    We know we, not you, are in Christ, in contrast to you, as you are still "in Adam," but not for the satanic reason you assert-no law.

    Saved ones don't believe your satanic perversion of "the Gospel," satanic trash, from the pits of hell, as you assert that it is not that we are in Christ, perfect, because we believe Christ died for our sins, our sin debt, taking our judgment/condemnation, SO THAT JUSTICE IS SERVED, taking our place, but it is your satanic perversion, that He died to destroy, make void, His own law, so that there is no sin debt, for which He might die, and no need to take our place, as a curse, being judged, condemned in our place, as there is no law to condemn, to judge, and create a sin debt, charge against us.

    No, there is a forever existing, holy, good, spiritual law God, deceiver, that judges/condemns each one of us; the reason we are saved, deceiver, the reason we are in Christ, "perfect,"is because we trust 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, that Christ died for our sins, paying the sin debt, penalty, in our place, and suffering the judgment/condemnation/curse of HIS OWN EXISTING LAW, IN OUR PLACE=justice, the tenant of the doctrine of the substitutionary atonement. You deny that, satanically asserting that the solution is to make void, destroy the law, so that there is no sin debt incurred, for which He might die, and that no condemnation/judgment is possible, with no law to judge/condemn.



    Demon.




    Again-you reject that Christ died for our sins-the devil child never cites that, the gospel of Christ, in 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV-never. And why is that? He cannot, as sin is the transgression of the law, and if there is no law, to define sin, there is no sin/sin debt/transgression, for which Christ might die.

    This is what you believe, liar:

    Pate asserts that Christ did not die for his/anyone's sins, 2000+ years ago, as they were all in the future, by definition, as He did not die to pay for his/anyone's sin debt, penalty, IOU, which IS INCURRED BY BREAKING GOD'S OWN EXISTING LAW, by definition, as there is no law defining the transgression/offense/sin, and resulting penalty, for which He might die, and Christ did not take his/anyone's place, in judgment, condemnation, AS HIS/OUR SUBSTITUTE, taking that judgment/condemnation/wrath, in our place, as there is no law, to bring about judgment, condemnation, wrath. He denies that Christ died for our sins, and denies the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, asserting that God's "solution" is to destroy the law, so that there is no sin debt incurred, or judgment/condemnation possible. Thus, the LORD God could have destroyed His own law, from the third heaven, not needing to send His Christ to die. And devil child Pate cannot give us one scripture, as to how the Lord Jesus Christ's destroying of the law affects justice, as Pate perverts God's justice, as no scripture testifies to how destroying the law maintains, affirms the justice of God-he made it up. The scripture does testify as to why the Saviour need die, by blood, in our place.........propitiation, reconciliation, identification, substitution.....Justice served.


    Pate rejects all of that, in his wicked perverting the gospel of Christ, as a pawn, shill of the devil.



    It is that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    You are still in your sins...
    What sins would that be, demon? According to you, the law that defines sin, transgression, was eliminated, destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago.



    He won't touch that-I've asked him over 100 times.


    Answer, Pate: How can Christ die for your/our sins, if, according to you, the law that defines sin, transgression, was eliminated, destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago?
    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    In Jesus Christ we have been sanctified, justified and redeemed, 1 Corinthians 1:30.
    Correct-but not for the satanic reason you spam-that Christ did not die for our sins, but died to destroy, make void the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus we can now enter into his rest, Hebrews 4:10. We rest in his righteousness and in his atonement for our sins.
    -dying for what, liar?You deny that Christ died for our sins. Chapter, verse, that explains how Christ's death, affects the law being eliminated. And I said "how."
    -atonement, you quip? Explain how you can have an atonement, without justice, without a law, that defines sin, which must be atoned for?


    Pate has no idea, about the doctrines of "atonement," "propitiation," justice of God.



    GO AHEAD, PATE-explain them to us on TOL, you being the only saved person on this site, according to your own, on record statements.


    "doing"-Pate
    You assert that "Jesus" became righteous by His walk in the law, and that is imputed to us=righteousness of the law.


    That is from the pits of hell, you vile, wicked, demonic shill.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    ..for our sins...
    Tell us, Pate: How can anyone commit sins, if there is no law, defining the transgression, sin, and resulting sin debt?


    SILENCE, for over 2 years.


    You satanic fraud.
    Saint John W

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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    Shut your trap, you wicked satanist, as you just lied-again. =his spam, that he sends to everyone on TOL


    You habitual, sick liar, as I/others, again, have given you 10x the amount of scripture, that you spam, in isolation, deleting verses,and we expound them, in contrast to you just spamming them, without explaining them, you deceiving demon.When others challenge your perversions, you wicked troll, with chapter, verse, you just spam your sound bytes, that we don't know the gospel, are reprobates, don't believe the bible,................so shuck your lies, child of the devil.

    We know we, not you, are in Christ, in contrast to you, as you are still "in Adam," but not for the satanic reason you assert-no law.


    In Jesus Christ we have been sanctified, justified and redeemed, 1 Corinthians 1:30.

    Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus we can now enter into his rest, Hebrews 4:10. We rest in his righteousness and in his atonement for our sins.
    [/QUOTE]


    You are concerned about things that God has already dealt with in Jesus Christ. If God sees us as perfect and complete "In Christ" then who needs the law? This is why it has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    John W. has 0 understanding of the Gospel and justification by faith, reason is that he is spiritually dead. No one can understand or believe the Gospel if they have not been born again by the word of God, 1 Peter 1:23, which is the Gospel.
    As you've been asked, by me, others, over 100 times: Sin is the transgression of the law, as you've been shown, from the bible. You assert that the law was destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago. So, tell all of TOL, how you, anyone, can be charged with sins, having a sin debt, for sins in the future, by definition, if there is no law to be broken, that would mark the transgression, sin.


    Go ahead, Pate.


    Tell us how Christ can die for your/anyone's sins, paying the penalty for them, "justice served," by dying on your/our place, if no sin debt is "created."

    Go ahead.

    Answer, Pate: How can Christ die for your/our sins,IN THE FUTURE, if, according to you, the law that defines sin, transgression, was eliminated, destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago?

    Answer. Pate: How can sin still exist for unbelievers,now, if the law that defines sin, transgression, was eliminated, destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago? No law, no transgression, demon.
    Saint John W

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