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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    It is impossible that Jerusalem could be the harlot spoken of in the book of Revelation because in the future the people of the earth will go to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Jesus Christ who is the LORD Almighty
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    It is impossible for Mystery Babylon to be Jerusalem.
    Jerusalem is the city of promise in the land of promise.
    Babylon is the city of exile outside of the land of promise.

    There are two Jerusalems: 1) the Jerusalem which now is (Gal 4:25); and 2) the Jerusalem of millennial prophecy.

    The "Jerusalem which now is" is "the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her" (Matt 23:37), and "the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified" (Rev 11:8). It is this Jerusalem which is "drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus" (Rev 17:6). Compare Revelation 17:18 with Rev 11:8 and you will see that "the great city" being referred to is Jerusalem.

    The Jerusalem of millennial prophecy is New Jerusalem, which will come down from God out of heaven (Rev 21:10).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    I think that you are right that there will be an alliance with Rome but I think that alliance will include all nations and not just the Arabic countries.
    So here is my problem with Rome being it. As we go into chapter 18, read Rev 18:11-17:

    11 “And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore: 12 merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble; 13 and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men. 14 The fruit that your soul longed for has gone from you, and all the things which are rich and splendid have [a]gone from you, and you shall find them no more at all. 15 The merchants of these things, who became rich by her, will stand at a distance for fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, 16 and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls! 17 For in one hour such great riches [b]came to nothing.’ Every shipmaster, all who travel by ship, sailors, and as many as trade on the sea, stood at a distance
    Does this really look like a description of Rome? Does this fit NYC or Mecca better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    New York City is where the United Nations is waging war upon Jews and Christians.
    The United Nations’ Shameful Treatment of Persecuted Christians
    The United Nation's anti-Israel bias is undeniable -- Let's stop pretending otherwise
    The UN Declares War on Judeo-Christian Civilization

    As far as the United States itself goes, in 1993 the Federal government undertook an exercise to determine how difficult it would be to wage war against Christians, which resulted in nearly 80 deaths in Waco Texas.
    That looks like a stretch for me. Rome and Mecca seem to fit that description much better (Rev 17:16). However chapter 18:11-17 seems to fit NYC best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    There are two Jerusalems: 1) the Jerusalem which now is (Gal 4:25); and 2) the Jerusalem of as yet unfulfilled prophecy.

    The "Jerusalem which now is" is "the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her (Matt 23:37)," and "the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified (Rev 11:8)." It is this Jerusalem which is "drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus (Rev 17:6)." Compare Revelation 17:18 with Rev 11:8 and you will see that "the great city" being referred to is Jerusalem.

    The Jerusalem of unfulfilled prophecy is New Jerusalem, which will come down from God out of heaven (Rev 21:10).
    I'm sorry but Jerusalem does not "reign over the kings of the earth" vs18, or fit these passages: 18:3, 18:9, 18:11-17, 18:23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binyamin7 View Post
    I'm sorry but Jerusalem does not "reign over the kings of the earth" vs18, or fit these passages: 18:3, 18:9, 18:11-17, 18:23.
    It will during the end times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    A king is not an empire. Get yourself a dictionary!

    DICTIONARY OF BIBLE THEMES – 1670 SYMBOLS
    Beasts: symbols of earthly kingdoms Daniel 7:2-7,17; Daniel 8:20-22

    Learn to read what is written.

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