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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Indeed...

    It was already false witness that jews spread attempting to slander Stephen and Paul claiming they taught Yahushua changed their customs...

    Paul at his trials NEVER had a witness claim he taught the Sabbath was abolished NO LETTERS OR WRITINGS about “STONE NAILED TO THE WOOD” were presented as evidence...jews would have torn him apart limb for limb had he actually taught or lived the Sabbath was abolished...they almost did that just thinking he brought goyim into the temple area...

    As it was not even a peep about coming back the next day “the LORD’s Day” when crowding goyim demanded he keep preaching but he did say come back NEXT SABBATH...

    As James concluded the Acts 15 council he fully expected goyim to keep hearing Moses preached in every city on every Sabbath...

    Good time there to talk about a NEW DAY...a NEW WAY...or something about something like 40 years from now...
    I said
    You better read this because Jesus changed everything.

    Jesus Changed Everyting

    xxx Jesus changed the law. From old testament to new testament.

    Heb 7:12
    12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
    [Gal 2:21
    21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness [comes] through the law, then Christ died in vain."
    (NKJ)

    xxx Jesus changed the commandments. From old testament to new testament.

    Heb 7:18
    18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
    (NKJ)

    xxx Jesus changed rightousness. From old testament law of sin and death. To New testament law of love and forgiveness.

    [Rom 10:4
    4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

    xxx Jesus changed the covenant. From old testament to new testament.

    Heb 8:13
    13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
    (NKJ)

    xxx Jesus changed the goal. From old testament to new testament.

    John 13:34-35
    34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
    35 "By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
    (NKJ)

    XXX Jesus changed justice. From old testament to new testament.

    Matt 12:20
    20 A bruised reed He will not break, and smoking flax He will not quench, till He sends forth justice to victory;
    (NKJ)

    Matt 6:12-15
    12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
    13 And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.
    14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
    15 "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
    (NKJ)

    xxx Jesus changed which Lord to follow. From old testament to new testament.


    Luke 6:46
    46 "But why do you call Me 'LORD, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say?
    (NKJ)

    Eph 4:4-6
    4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
    5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
    6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
    (NKJ)

    xxx Jesus changed which Spirit to follow.

    Old testament

    Isa 63:11-12
    11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
    12 That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name?
    (KJV)

    new testament


    John 16:7-8
    7 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
    8 "And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
    (NKJ)

    John 14:26
    26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
    (NKJ)



    2 Cor 5:5
    5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
    (NKJ)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    Look no evidence no proof, no revelations, only your own opinion.
    no you add false witness to your desperate denials...

    Heb 4:9 is exactly proof as sabbatismos is NOT EVEN A GREEK WORD...the author of Hebrews used to confirm it was sabbath keeping and not just a rest...and remains for His people NOT JUST JEWS...

    Its ok with me if you keep the Sabbath.
    awwww shucks thanks...just as I am sure its ok that no one steals from you or kills you or commits adultery with your wife...right? Cuz its the LAW...His Law not the state’s BTW

    Yes thanks so much for letting me worship and obey my God...times past yours would have burnt me at the stake...

    If you want to worship one day a week thats ok. I'm going with the worship 7 days a week.
    awww cute...NOT KEEPING THE COMMANMENTS...just like eve adding to the word...pharisees too...always adding to prove something or something...

    Is like saying to your grand kid...”it’s your birthday today? But I celebrate it every day of the year”...nice...no big deal for you is it...no memorial...no setting apart...no sanctification...no made holy...no BECAUSE HE RESTED...not after His image you were created to be...not following Him...guess you are too good for all that...



    Let it go you havent got anything to stand on.
    you keep telling yourself...as you follow jewish fables and false witness...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    The Sabbath is a day or worship. Not the day of rest.
    wrong...and fail...look it up...

    I will put up a revelations on the day of rest.
    your revelations are from a counterfeit spirit as it produces FALSE fruit...NOT LIKE HIS...

    Some people worship one day a week. Others worship every day of the week. Jesus gave us the choice. And He said dont let one judge the other.
    Now you LIE and distort what He actually did...

    You are following jewish lies and catholic tradition...yup...they claim they changed sabbath to sunday as a sign of their authority...

    But you here just stumble along...doing what man’s tradition did...and NOT Him His Way...

    Squeaky would change both times and law...Daniel warned us of your type

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    Hello Jacob. It wont do any good here that is old testament.
    The only commandment He instructed prayers be said that it should be kept in the future in the new covenant was the Sabbath...

    The irony...

    Yup...Yahushua fully expected winters and Sabbaths to continue into the new covenant...LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Here is the 56th chapter of Isaiah. It may help to see Isaiah's words here regarding the Sabbath.

    Isaiah 56:1-12 NASB - 1 Thus says the LORD, "Preserve justice and do righteousness, For My salvation is about to come And My righteousness to be revealed. 2 "How blessed is the man who does this, And the son of man who takes hold of it; Who keeps from profaning the sabbath, And keeps his hand from doing any evil." 3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say, "The LORD will surely separate me from His people." Nor let the eunuch say, "Behold, I am a dry tree." 4 For thus says the LORD, "To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths, And choose what pleases Me, And hold fast My covenant, 5 To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial, And a name better than that of sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off. 6 "Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, To minister to Him, and to love the name of the LORD, To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbath And holds fast My covenant; 7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar; For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples." 8 The Lord GOD, who gathers the dispersed of Israel, declares, "Yet [others] I will gather to them, to those [already] gathered." 9 All you beasts of the field, All you beasts in the forest, Come to eat. 10 His watchmen are blind, All of them know nothing. All of them are mute dogs unable to bark, Dreamers lying down, who love to slumber; 11 And the dogs are greedy, they are not satisfied. And they are shepherds who have no understanding; They have all turned to their own way, Each one to his unjust gain, to the last one. 12 "Come," [they say,] "let us get wine, and let us drink heavily of strong drink; And tomorrow will be like today, only more so."
    Yup even the OT was for goyim...ALREADY...LONG before the wall had to be torn down between jew and goyim IN HIM...that church in the wilderness...

    Yup that must make some MAD but they are too late...OT was already for goyim NO seperate later dispensation fuh fuh fuh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    You better read this because Jesus changed everything.

    Jesus Changed Everyting

    xxx Jesus changed the law. From old testament to new testament.

    Heb 7:12
    12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
    [Gal 2:21
    21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness [comes] through the law, then Christ died in vain."
    (NKJ)

    xxx Jesus changed the commandments. From old testament to new testament.

    Heb 7:18
    18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
    (NKJ)

    xxx Jesus changed rightousness. From old testament law of sin and death. To New testament law of love and forgiveness.

    [Rom 10:4
    4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

    xxx Jesus changed the covenant. From old testament to new testament.

    Heb 8:13
    13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
    (NKJ)

    xxx Jesus changed the goal. From old testament to new testament.

    John 13:34-35
    34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
    35 "By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
    (NKJ)

    XXX Jesus changed justice. From old testament to new testament.

    Matt 12:20
    20 A bruised reed He will not break, and smoking flax He will not quench, till He sends forth justice to victory;
    (NKJ)

    Matt 6:12-15
    12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
    13 And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.
    14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
    15 "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
    (NKJ)

    xxx Jesus changed which Lord to follow. From old testament to new testament.


    Luke 6:46
    46 "But why do you call Me 'LORD, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say?
    (NKJ)

    Eph 4:4-6
    4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
    5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
    6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
    (NKJ)

    xxx Jesus changed which Spirit to follow.

    Old testament

    Isa 63:11-12
    11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
    12 That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name?
    (KJV)

    new testament


    John 16:7-8
    7 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
    8 "And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
    (NKJ)

    John 14:26
    26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
    (NKJ)



    2 Cor 5:5
    5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
    (NKJ)
    Tell it to James who concluded the Jerusalem council with the expectation that the goyim would continue to crowd the synagogues to hear Moses read in every city EVERY SABBATH...

    Stop following jewish false witness and RC tradition of man...stop adding or removing from the Word...

    Follow Him Squeaky...follow Him His ways...

    Love as He loved you...if He hired you He would let you have Sabbath off for rest...

    Just think every Sabbath off...the ways things would have been had we not sinned...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Yup even the OT was for goyim...ALREADY...LONG before the wall had to be torn down between jew and goyim IN HIM...that church in the wilderness...

    Yup that must make some MAD but they are too late...OT was already for goyim NO seperate later dispensation fuh fuh fuh
    Maybe that is why it matters to me, but if these are really foreigners it shows either that they or if they were converts were up to obeying or observing God's Commandments such as the Sabbath.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    in beginning he created gods the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Maybe that is why it matters to me, but if these are really foreigners it shows either that they or if they were converts were up to obeying or observing God's Commandments such as the Sabbath.
    Well as an ex dispie who actually even became a jew rather than just gift jews superiority status...it must be awkward to realize that the old covenant was always open to foreigners willing to believe and obey...

    You grafted yourself into what was cut off...into rejected branches of the jews NOT Israel..you were NOT grafted into the trunk...

    Yup Israel was NEVER genetic as Sarah’s eggs were dried out...but YAH from above from a spiritual power created Isaac...and then later AGAIN from ABOVE from SPIRITUAL realm and not blood and genes Jacob BECAME REBORN into ISRAEL...

    And so remembering His covenant with Abraham He saved them and foreigners with them as strangers within their gates...FAITH...not genes...and a House of prayer for ALL nations not just jews...

    I mean look at what jews did to their own brother tribes...caused them to fall into idolatry and be destroyed...

    Yikes...

    Oh well...glad I am a citizen of Israel and not grafted into what was rejected because of unbelief and disobedience...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Well as an ex dispie who actually even became a jew rather than just gift jews superiority status...it must be awkward to realize that the old covenant was always open to foreigners willing to believe and obey...

    You grafted yourself into what was cut off...into rejected branches of the jews NOT Israel..you were NOT grafted into the trunk...

    Yup Israel was NEVER genetic as Sarah’s eggs were dried out...but YAH from above from a spiritual power created Isaac...and then later AGAIN from ABOVE from SPIRITUAL realm and not blood and genes Jacob BECAME REBORN into ISRAEL...

    And so remembering His covenant with Abraham He saved them and foreigners with them as strangers within their gates...FAITH...not genes...and a House of prayer for ALL nations not just jews...

    I mean look at what jews did to their own brother tribes...caused them to fall into idolatry and be destroyed...

    Yikes...

    Oh well...glad I am a citizen of Israel and not grafted into what was rejected because of unbelief and disobedience...
    Can you show me about the root and the branches and what was rejected if you can?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Tell it to James who concluded the Jerusalem council with the expectation that the goyim would continue to crowd the synagogues to hear Moses read in every city EVERY SABBATH...

    Stop following jewish false witness and RC tradition of man...stop adding or removing from the Word...

    Follow Him Squeaky...follow Him His ways...

    Love as He loved you...if He hired you He would let you have Sabbath off for rest...

    Just think every Sabbath off...the ways things would have been had we not sinned...
    I said
    lol We seem to go through this alot. I prove everything I say with scripture and you reject it with no more than your own opinion. You really should try that on beginners because it doesnt work on me. Nagging me like a little old lady doesnt really impress me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Can you show me about the root and the branches and what was rejected if you can?
    Already tried with your “I am christian turned jew...but still christian”

    jews dont believe their god had a Son...jews believe their god is ONE...any Son would be idolatrous abomination...jews dont believe a messiah came for them...certainly NOT that IN HIM there are no more jews but Israel...and very certainly NOT that He replaced believing goyim as Israel and cut off non believing jews from Israel...

    Your being ex dispie I certainly better understand your attraction to jews...but sadly you suicided your Christianity...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    lol We seem to go through this alot. I prove everything I say with scripture and you reject it with no more than your own opinion. You really should try that on beginners because it doesnt work on me. Nagging me like a little old lady doesnt really impress me.
    Not here to impress you but correct your misuse of scripture...despite using book names and chapter verse numbers...

    your worship Him everyday does not exempt you from keeping His commandments or the faith of Yahushua...


    Do you know the faith of Yahushua? Was it the Buddhist faith? Was it the Muslim faith? Or was it the jewish faith? Well most of it...jews by that time had added and rejected so much USING scripture even...JUST LIKE YOU...they missed what it was all pointing to...HIM you know Lord of the Sabbath...not Lord of the week or everyday worship...but Lord of the Sabbath...

    Yup Satan uses scripture...pharisees use scripture....the blind lead the blind...and your sugar milkshake gospel has just empty calories...no real meat...ya dig?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Already tried with your “I am christian turned jew...but still christian”

    jews dont believe their god had a Son...jews believe their god is ONE...any Son would be idolatrous abomination...jews dont believe a messiah came for them...certainly NOT that IN HIM there are no more jews but Israel...and very certainly NOT that He replaced believing goyim as Israel and cut off non believing jews from Israel...

    Your being ex dispie I certainly better understand your attraction to jews...but sadly you suicided your Christianity...
    I am not sure what you mean. I became a Jew in so many ways, of Israel a convert and to Judaism. A Levite. And an Israelite. A convert to Israel and a Jew from being a Gentlie and a Christian.

    As a Gentile I was grafted in. But I became a convert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
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    Hello Jacob. It wont do any good here that is old testament.
    This is why you are having trouble understanding scripture Squeaky

    DEUT. 4 [2] YE SHALL NOT ADD UNTO THE WORD which I command you, NEITHER SHALL YE DIMINISH OUGHT FROM IT, that ye may KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS of the Lord your God which I command you.

    This is truly ironical. You want to diminished the entire old testament to make it easier to make the claim that we need not follow Gods 10 commandments. But the new testament also tells us to keep the 10.

    2TIM.3 [14] But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;[15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee WISE UNTO SALVATION through faith which is in Christ Jesus.[16] ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:[17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    The ONLY scriptures you would find at the writing of 2Tim.3 were the old testament scriptures and they make you wise unto salvation

    2PETER1 [20] Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.[21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST.

    Seems the old testament was written by men as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. Its not wise to ignore the Holy Spirit

    MATT.13 [51] Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. [52] Then said he unto them, Therefore EVERY SCRIBE WHICH IS INSTRUCTED UNTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN is like unto a man that is an householder, which BRINGETH FORTH OUT OF HIS TREASURE THINGS NEW AND OLD.

    Says what it says. Directions to the kingdom. Treasure old {testament}and new {new testament}. You see your problem Squeaky?

    LEVITICUS 26 [9] For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you. [10] And YE SHALL EAT OLD STORE, AND BRING FORTH THE OLD BECAUSE OF THE NEW. [11] And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you. [12] And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.

    Exactly what happened. Id never be reading the old if it werent for the new

    ACTS 17 [10] And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. [11] These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that THEY RECEIVED THE WORD WITH ALL READINESS OF MIND, AND SEARCHED THE SCRIPTURES DAILY, WHETHER THOSE THINGS WERE SO. [12] Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

    As you can see in the above scripture, the people who knew what they were doing, when they first heard Pauls words, search the old testament scriptures to see if what Paul was saying was true.

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    DEUT. 4 [2] YE SHALL NOT ADD UNTO THE WORD which I command you, NEITHER SHALL YE DIMINISH OUGHT FROM IT, that ye may KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS of the Lord your God which I command you.

    says the same in the new testament

    REV. 22 [14] BLESSED ARE THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. [15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. [16] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. [17] And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. [18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, IF ANY MAN SHALL ADD unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: [19] And IF ANY MAN SHALL TAKE AWAY FROM THE WORDS OF THE BOOK of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    Once again, the new verifies the old. Rev.22 says the same thing as Deut.4! Dont add to the Word and dont take away from the Word. Keep Gods 10 commandments.

    PROVERBS 30 [4] Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? [5] EVERY WORD OF GOD IS PURE: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. [6] ADD THOU NOT UNTO HIS WORDS, lest he reprove thee, and thou be FOUND A LIAR.

    The old testament says God will prove you, as to whether you are found to be a liar. And this will be accomplished by as to whether you keep the ten commandments or you don’t {Deut.4 v2}. Are there any new testament scriptures that verify what is said in Proverbs 30?

    1JOHN2 [3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.[4] HE THAT SAITH, I KNOW HIM, AND KEEPETH NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

    Yup

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