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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    So... You're just going to ignore Jesus' words?



    You fail to show me a single verse, where is Jesus or his God made the blood of God , his son, any man or any creature is the only way for salvation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkins View Post
    Changing Law is not an option because Law stands for justification. Justification stands for God's just. It is for the justification reason that Jesus needs to be crucified twice to justify the salvation of the dead.
    Where did you get these crazy ideas?
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oleander View Post
    You fail to show me a single verse, where is Jesus or his God made the blood of God , his son, any man or any creature is the only way for salvation.
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    Not hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Where did you get these crazy ideas?
    From the Bible. If Law can be changed at will, then why do you need Jesus to be crucified? Just change the Law such that God can save any one without Jesus!

    It is because Law cannot be changed and under this unchangeable Law that everyone is dead when judged that Christ is needed for our salvation! Simple as that!

    If this is a crazy idea, then the whole Bible is based off such a crazy idea!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkins View Post
    From the Bible.
    Vague... WHERE?
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Vague... WHERE?
    In contrary, would you show me a verse saying that Law can be changed?

    If you can't, automatically the Bible says that Law is unchangeable. Simple as that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6days View Post
    Could God have provided salvation to us, without the physical death of Jesus?
    Maybe the question is phrased incorrectly.

    Would we have believed in Jesus and received His salvation, had the Father in heaven not raised Him up from death?

    And He said unto them, Thus it is written,
    and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
    That repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations,
    beginning at Jerusalem.

    Luke 24:46-47

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkins View Post
    In contrary, would you show me a verse saying that Law can be changed?

    If you can't, automatically the Bible says that Law is unchangeable. Simple as that!
    You made a claim... back it up.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by comingfrom View Post
    Maybe the question is phrased incorrectly.

    Would we have believed in Jesus and received His salvation, had the Father in heaven not raised Him up from death?
    No... The question is phrased correctly, I believe.

    Believing that Jesus / God exists is not what saves us. If salvation was merely believing in his existence, he could appear in the sky over our heads, and everyone would believe.

    What do you think Jesus saved us from? Jesus can save us from our sin, correct? But without His death, he would not be able to forgive our sin. Do you know why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Vague... WHERE?
    The Law is His character and what life is like where He is...

    Righteous
    * God—“The LORD is righteous in all His ways” (Psalms 145:17).
    * Law—“All Your commandments are righteousness” (Psalms 119:172).

    Truth
    * God—“You have redeemed me, O LORD, God of truth” (Psalms 31:5).
    * Law—“Your law is truth” (Psalms 119:142).

    Goodness
    * God—“Good and upright is the LORD” (Psalms 25:8).
    * Law—“The law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good” (Romans 7:12).

    Everlasting
    * God—“Then Abraham called on the name of the LORD, the Everlasting God” (Genesis 21:33).
    * Law—“All His precepts are sure, they are upheld forever and ever” (Psalms 111:7 8).

    Holiness
    * God—“Be holy, for I am holy” (1 Peter 1:16).
    * Law—“Therefore the law is holy” (Romans 7:12).

    Love
    * God—“God is love” (1 John 4:8).
    * Law—“Love is the fulfillment of the law” (Romans 13: 10).

    Perfection
    * God—“You shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect” (Matthew 5:48).
    * Law—“The law of the LORDis perfect, restoring the soul” (Psalms 19:7).

    Spiritual
    * God—“God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth” (John 4:24).
    * Law—“For we know that the law is spiritual” (Romans 7:14).

    Just
    * God—“He is the Rock. His work is perfect; for all His ways are justice” (Deuteronomy 32:4).
    * Law—“The law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good” (Romans 7:12).

    Light
    * God—“God is light and in Him is no darkness at all” (1 John 1:5 ).
    * Law—“The commandment is a lamp, and the law is light” (Proverbs 6:23).

    Immutable as He is...and a delight as He is...

    But you would abolish the Law change it or claim it does not apply...

    ALL THIS to avoid the Sabbath LOL

    a day off...a holy day sanctified and given to His people as a sign...made and given for all man kind obviously received only by His people...after all it remains “here are they that keep the commandments”

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    So... You're just going to ignore Jesus' words?



    The first things jesus command you to do:
    Repent kingdom of God at hand.
    No blood needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oleander View Post
    The first things jesus command you to do:
    Repent kingdom of God at hand.
    No blood needed.
    That isn't what the Bible teaches. God's Word tells us that "without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness." Heb. 9:22 Animal sacrifices were a temporary measure... it was in faith animal blood would be shed until the only possible solution to our sin problem. The solution was another Adam...the "Last Adam" (Jesus...1 Cor. 15)) who could lead a sinless life, then volunteer to take the punishment we deserve (Substitutionary atonement).
    Without Genesis, absolutely nothing makes sense in all of Scripture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6days View Post
    No... The question is phrased correctly, I believe.

    Believing that Jesus / God exists is not what saves us. If salvation was merely believing in his existence, he could appear in the sky over our heads, and everyone would believe.
    Thank you 6days.
    This is how He was for me.

    But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven,
    and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
    And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened,
    and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

    Acts 7:55-56

    [QUOTE}What do you think Jesus saved us from?[QUOTE]
    I was saved from my ignorance of God.
    I had no idea what God requires of me, but Jesus helped me.

    Jesus can save us from our sin, correct?
    Absolutely.
    Even everyone that hears His sayings, and does them.

    But without His death, he would not be able to forgive our sin. Do you know why?
    Jesus' words are spirit, and are life.

    It is the spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing:
    the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    John 6:62

    Praise Jesus.
    `Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6days View Post
    Could God have provided salvation to us, without the physical death of Jesus?
    Of course. God could have created us perfect and immortal. He didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartman View Post
    Of course. God could have created us perfect and immortal. He didn't.
    If that is true... The cross becomes meaningless. A perfect creation was ruined by first Adam, and the consequences defeated by Last Adam (1Cor. 15)

    Pain, suffering, extinctions, and death existed in our world because a perfect creation was corrupted. Christ went to Calvary to defeat death, and because He did, we are able to participate in the resurrection.

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