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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You want to go against the scriptures that say the old law was not based on faith then so be it.
    THEY WERE GIVEN THE OLD LAW BECAUSE THEY HAD FAITH FIRST...saved from egypt without the law...they were NOW given the Law to reveal who they were...even the six day then rest sequence was demonstrated first with the manna and then the Sabbath was given...


    Right; we have to keep obeying.
    yup...and now what? which? why? whose? How? are the questions to be answered...answers include: the commandments, all or some, to become saved or because we are, Yah’s or man’s, blood letting or with our lips having learned mercy through His sacrifice


    Right; we have to have faith now, whereas the old law did not require it.
    it was given to those who had it...faith was lost it is true but those that have it WANT to obey

    All a person had to do in the old law was to do the purification works of the law and they would be made clean. God did not like that, but that is the way it was.
    yes clean and NOT thrown out of camp but NOT SAVED ETERNALLY and NOT a good representative of Him...as they lost their first love...

    Is why the jew only had advantage but they are not superior...the law did not save them...nor did it remove sin...read Hebrews...


    The church in the wilderness, you say. Give the scripture.
    Acts 7:38...and even then it was ONE LAW one people of faith then obedience...



    The person had to get circumcised, and do various external washings, and adhere to a dietary law. That was the people cleaning themselves! Now no one has to clean themselves, they only have to have faith that Jesus’ shed blood on the cross cleans them.
    both methods produced fruits by which His people are known...for their faith first then obedience...inspect the fruit know the root...faith with works is not dead

    His blood cleans daily and for the rest of one’s life...if they have faith and obey...daily

    Now daily all nations will be blessed by faithfulness and obedience...as you establish His law because of His love for you...and your love for Him...a love JUST AS HE LOVED YOU...so no sunday ham dinners thank you...


    No. Faith alone is dead and cannot save anyone. Just believe the truth.
    It remains:

    FAITH IN HIM then obey and do works HIS WORKS...do this and live and NOW WITH FAITH IN HIM even after the first death...

    truth is in one who obeys Him because they know Yah...that is faith

    Peter was clear Yah gives the Holy Spirit to the ones who obey...to build their faith and guide in the way they should obey...daily

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    Quote Originally Posted by comingfrom View Post


    Many say Paul said this and that, so they end up not doing what Jesus said.
    I chose to not go that way.
    Exactly. well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibleverse2 View Post
    Yes, for:

    Matthew 7:21 ¶Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    Right on.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by comingfrom View Post
    I am not here to stand against the blood of my brother,
    but I am here presenting my testimony, the blood which I received of Him.
    Even as you do.

    I believe, to do the law never required carnal interpretations of the commandments.
    Of course, the people had to literally do things with their flesh bodies.
    They really had to bring real animals.
    They really had to get circumcised in the flesh.
    They really had to do various external baths after menstrual cycles, and men's secretions, and just sitting where someone sat who had such things.
    They really had a dietary law where they had to eat a certain diet and cook a certain way.

    Quote Originally Posted by comingfrom View Post
    God is a spirit, and His law is spiritual, and so I interpret the commandments spiritually.
    Circumcision is of the heart, and in spirit,
    and the bullocks we are to offer unto God are our spirits.
    That is how we cast out our devils, our false notions.
    Denying that the people really had to do physical things is not the truth.
    The New Covenant is about what is spiritual. The Old Testament was about earthy things.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    the former obedient the latter less so...
    but not to be saved...they already were...now it was to learn MERCY rather than sacrifice...to learn to love AS HE LOVED THEM...how to remain a holy people sanctified and circumcised from the world...the purification rituals were to teach about what is holy and what is not...what is clean and what is not...about the calendar of Yah...that He is the creator who saved them...to exercise and practice faith...they ARE all shadows pointing to things to come... Paul writes...notice the present tense he uses not the past tense...and pointing still to things yet to be fulfilled...
    The people in the covenant with God HAD TO get circumcised in the flesh or they could NOT be called a child of God.

    They HAD TO ATONE for their own sins!

    Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood thatmaketh an atonement for the soul.


    The Gentiles did not do the things required to be in the covenant with God, and they were called ‘unclean’ people and ‘without’ God’ and ‘separate from the promises’.

    Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,

    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    ALL covenants are of faith..
    No they are not. A baby boy eight days old was in the covenant after being circumcised.

    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    .imagine if Adam and Eve had had enough faith...Noah had faith first was found blameless believed flood was coming then began to build...
    Noah had faith AND OBEDIENCE.
    In Noah’s time there was not the Law yet of circumcision.
    However, it is ALWAYS about FAITH AND OBEDENCE.
    But the old law WAS NOT BASED ON FAITH.

    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post

    Abraham did nothing but believe and obey...

    right and? Even Egyptians followed Him into the desert after watching Him defeat their gods...that was faith...and they were given the same law same blessing same promise

    It remains faith first...not do works in order to be saved...
    If you don’t obey, then your faith is worthless, it is DEAD.
    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    One doesnt marry to do what is lawful in order to fall in love...but because one is ALREADY IN LOVE they wish to do what is lawful and marry...
    If a person isn’t doing right, then it is NOT love, no matter how much they tell the person they say they want to marry that they love them.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    you did notice how Abraham went when called?...BY FAITH...
    That is more proof that faith must accompany obedience.

    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    and he failed lying about Sarah...is why it is not ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED...it’s a lifetime race to run...a lifetime fight to fight...
    That is NOT when Abraham’s faith was tested. Abraham’s faith was tested when God asked him to sacrifice his son. Abraham was going to do that.

    As for Abraham lying about Sarah, he didn’t really lie because Sarah was his sister.
    Once saved always saved is possible if the person obeys and then repents when a mistake is made.

    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Cuz she understood the faith came BEFORE the sign of that faith...circumcision represents the faith of the parents...now when the boy infant grows up he merely needs to accept who he is and WHOSE he is...and HONOR HIS PARENTS...
    Moses HAD TO DO WHAT GOD SAID or death would have happened.
    Some believe that God was going to kill Moses, and others believe that God was going to take the baby’s life. EITHER PERSON, it is about obeying God.

    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Judiazers taught new believers HAD to be saved by circumcision which was never taught...Judaizers demanded 1) that goyim HAD to be circumcised to travel with live with israel (and be saved from egypt) 2) that one HAD to be circumcised in order to be saved and not as a sign for being already saved...

    They ascribed too much power to the act...that is idolatry...

    Was meant to teach circumcision of the heart...a separateness from the world...mercy rather than sacrifice...
    God SAID to get circumcised in the flesh, and it had to be done.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Election is God chosing how, and through whom, he will fulfill His purposes. God did not chose Jacob because he did good, and Esau did evil. The election of grace is not dependant on doing good or evil. The election is of grace. The election is not of works.

    That is why Romans 11:6 says that it is "no more of works". The remnant attains righteousness by the election of grace. If the election is by grace, then it is no more of works. Grace has been chosen by God for righteousness. Works have been eliminated as a means of attaining righteousness.
    God's Grace is not given to the unfaithful.

    Luke 16:10-13
    10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
    11 If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
    12 And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?
    13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

    Learn to read what is written.

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    God's grace is given to dead sinners who can not save themselves;

    For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. Romans 5:6

    Luke 10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
    11 If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
    12 And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?
    13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

    These above verses were spoken to Israel in regard to the coming kingdom on earth, over which Christ would rule as King, and faithful Israel would be given authority to reign in positions of authority.

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    Thank you, GT.

    Of course, the people had to literally do things with their flesh bodies.
    I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God,
    that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God,
    which is your reasonable service.

    Romans 12:1

    They really had to bring real animals.
    For I spake not unto your fathers,
    nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt,
    concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
    But this thing commanded I them, saying,
    Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be My people:
    and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

    Jeremiah 7:22-23

    They really had to get circumcised in the flesh.
    And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart,
    and the heart of thy seed,
    to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul,
    that thou mayest live.

    Deuteronomy 30:6

    They really had to do various external baths after menstrual cycles, and men's secretions, and just sitting where someone sat who had such things.
    Because the carnal mind is enmity against God:
    for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

    Romans 8:7

    They really had a dietary law where they had to eat a certain diet and cook a certain way.
    Whoso eats My flesh, and drinks My blood, hath eternal life;
    and I will raise him up at the last day.

    John 6:54

    Jesus kept all the law. He fulfilled it perfectly.
    Did we see Him advocating circumcision of the flesh? Sacrificing animals? Stoning sinners? Keeping times?
    No we don't.
    So keep the commandments as He kept them, and not as the carnally minded interpret them.

    If ye keep My commandments, ye shall abide in My love;
    even as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love.

    John 15:10

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    God's grace is given to dead sinners who can not save themselves;

    For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. Romans 5:6

    Luke 10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
    11 If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
    12 And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?
    13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

    These above verses were spoken to Israel in regard to the coming kingdom on earth, over which Christ would rule as King, and faithful Israel would be given authority to reign in positions of authority.
    How do these verses apply to the heading " No more works "?

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    Oops, nearly a missed a bit. Sorry.

    Denying that the people really had to do physical things is not the truth.
    Read in the law daily, walk while you have the light, and pray.
    These are the physical things the Lord requires of us.

    It is the spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing:
    the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    John 6:63

    The New Covenant is about what is spiritual. The Old Testament was about earthy things.
    So many do say.
    But I believe Jesus is the Lord, and He is the word of God,
    and He gave us the Father's law by Moses' hand.

    Ye shall do My judgments, and keep Mine ordinances, to walk therein:
    I am the LORD your God.
    Ye shall therefore keep My statutes, and My judgments:
    which if a man do, he shall live in them:
    I am the LORD.

    Leviticus 18:4-5

    Praise the Lord.

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    Men say a lot of things. (Look at Clefty go.)
    They come in Jesus' name and speak as if they are Christ Himself.
    And they really want us off God's words in the Old Testament.
    Why?

    I look to what God says, and He is telling me something different.
    Something completely different to what many say.
    He says to keep His words. Abide in them. Do His commandments. And His judgments. For ever.
    And they are not carnal commandments, as men interpret them.
    They refuse to look for the spiritual meaning.

    Turn you at My reproof:
    behold, I will pour out My spirit unto you,
    I will make known My words unto you.

    Proverbs 1:23

    By this we know that we love the children of God,
    when we love God, and keep His commandments.
    For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments:
    and His commandments are not grievous.

    1 John 5:2-3

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    God's grace is given to dead sinners who can not save themselves;
    God gives Grace to the living that please Him, not to dead sinners who do not please Him.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    For the LORD God is a sun and shield:
    the LORD will give grace and glory:
    no good thing will He withhold from them that walk uprightly.

    Psalm 84:11

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Denying that the people really had to do physical things is not the truth.
    The New Covenant is about what is spiritual. The Old Testament was about earthy things.
    Made up, false dichotomy. The opposite of spiritual, is not "earthly," as you assert.
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