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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    He saves them to the uttermost !

    Those sinners Christ came to save, He came to save them to the uttermost as He lives to make intercession for them Heb 7:25

    25 [FONT="]Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

    That word uttermost means :

    [/FONT]
    all complete, entire

    completely, perfectly, utterly

    Yet in mans religion, Hes a potential Saviour.

    Even though man's false religion teaches that lie, Scripture asserts that Christ as Great High Priest makes intercession for God's Elect People from all nations of the world Rev. 5:9 which guarantees their Eternal Salvation !


    Rom. 8:33-34

    33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

    34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    To say or even imply that Christ is merely a potential Saviour is a repudiation of the fact that its promised He shall save His People from their sins Matt 1:21

    21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

    Mans religion says Matt 1:21

    21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall potentially save his people from their sins.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    To say or even imply that Christ is merely a potential Saviour is a repudiation of the fact that its promised He shall save His People from their sins Matt 1:21

    21 [FONT="]And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name [/FONT][FONT="]Jesus[/FONT][FONT="]: for he shall save his people from their sins.[/FONT][FONT="]

    Mans religion says Matt 1:21

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    21 [FONT="]And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name [/FONT][FONT="]Jesus[/FONT]: for he shall potentially save his people from their sins.
    Exactly, in other words, man's religion teaches that Christ merely came to make all men without exception savable, provided they meet or perform certain conditions. So in actuality, they believe that Christ's Death really didn't save anyone which is utter blasphemy !
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    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    Exactly, in other words, man's religion teaches that Christ merely came to make all men without exception savable, provided they meet or perform certain conditions. So in actuality, they believe that Christ's Death really didn't save anyone which is utter blasphemy !
    Exactly !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Exactly !
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    In the Bible, salvation is mostly concerned with something that happens in this life.

    Even in the New Testament, the primary meaning of the word "salvation" is transformation in this life.

    One can see this in the roots of the English word salvation, which comes from "salve," which is a healing ointment.
    Salvation is about healing.

    We all grow up wounded, and salvation is about the healing of the roots of existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aikido7 View Post
    In the Bible, salvation is mostly concerned with something that happens in this life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    When I use the word “Salvation” I strive to find out what it meant when Jesus was alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aikido7 View Post
    In the Bible, salvation is mostly concerned with something that happens in this life.

    Even in the New Testament, the primary meaning of the word "salvation" is transformation in this life.

    One can see this in the roots of the English word salvation, which comes from "salve," which is a healing ointment.
    Salvation is about healing.

    We all grow up wounded, and salvation is about the healing of the roots of existence.
    Did you read the OP ?
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Did you read the OP ?
    I mostly read the New Testament--usually with my Parallel Bible--to track Christianity as a developing tradition.

    For me, the God of Jesus is the “norm” of the Bible.
    The God of his later followers and even the God[s] of Rome are interesting to trace the historical patterns and thus see the text in its original ancient context.

    What did atonement, salvation, resusrrection, etc. actually mean in Jesus’ day?
    Has our modern understanding of these words obscured their original meanings?

    “The past is a foreign country. They do things differently there.”
    --L.P. Hartley

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    Quote Originally Posted by aikido7 View Post
    In the Bible, salvation is mostly concerned with something that happens in this life.
    True.

    Quote Originally Posted by aikido7 View Post
    Even in the New Testament, the primary meaning of the word "salvation" is transformation in this life.
    It means rescue from death.

    Quote Originally Posted by aikido7 View Post
    One can see this in the roots of the English word salvation, which comes from "salve," which is a healing ointment.
    Salvation is about healing.
    Not quite. The Israelites were saved from Egypt; the apostles and early church were saved from Judah.

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    I am tried to communicate the ancient meaning of the word “salvation” and the Greek root of it comes from “salve,” a healing ointment. I failed utterly.

    I just want to repeat that salvation is much, much different than the word “save.”

    You can say Joseph was saved from the pit his brothers threw him in.
    You can argue that Creation was saved by Noah.
    You can say that Moses was saved from the Pharoah.
    Or Israel was saved by David from Goliah--or saved by Elhanan instead--from the giant.

    But “saved” in these instances has nothing to do with Christianity’s modern overlay of the original word “salvation."

    Sometime during the 18th or 19th century, Christianity hijacked the word “salvation” and said it has something to do with getting to heaven.
    Salvation’s original meaning from Jesus’s time belies our “modern up-to-date” change of meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aikido7 View Post
    I mostly read the New Testament--usually with my Parallel Bible--to track Christianity as a developing tradition.

    For me, the God of Jesus is the “norm” of the Bible.
    The God of his later followers and even the God[s] of Rome are interesting to trace the historical patterns and thus see the text in its original ancient context.

    What did atonement, salvation, resusrrection, etc. actually mean in Jesus’ day?
    Has our modern understanding of these words obscured their original meanings?

    “The past is a foreign country. They do things differently there.”
    --L.P. Hartley
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    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
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    It’s often more comfortable when learning new information to disregard it and mischaracterize it.
    Our minds can only take in so much--especially when it goes against what we are told by authority.

    QUESTION AUTHORITY !!!
    AND WHEN AUTHORITY ANSWERS, LISTEN !!!

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