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    Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour !

    In mans religion,, though they speak of Christ as the Saviour, they really mean that Hes merely a potential Saviour and that Salvation ultimately rests in the decision or will of the sinner. In other words, its up to the sinner to make Christ a Saviour unto them.

    This fallacious reasoning is error and dishonors Christ as the Saviour of His People. for its written that He shall save His People from their sins Matt 1:21, not potentially save them !

    When Christ died and afterwards rose from the dead, and ascended to the Right Hand of God, He ascended as a Prince and a Saviour Acts 5:31

    Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

    The word Saviour means: a savior, deliverer, preserver. None of these denote possibilities, maybes, or potentially, but actuality, He actually ascended as a Saviour, deliverer, a preserver.

    Some may appeal to 1 Tim 4:10

    For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.


    Now does this verse state that Christ is a potential Saviour to all men ? No it doesnt, but it says God is Saviour of all men, especially of those [men] who believe !

    Many pervert this scripture so it would be saying that God is a potential Saviour to all men, but an actual Saviour to them that believe. See God cant be technically a Saviour to the unsaved, for thats a contradiction, He is their God in Judgment, but not as a Saviour.

    So what does the word specially mean in this verse and how can it be understood without contradicting the fact that God is a actual Saviour and not merely a Saviour, or a Saviour unto unsaved men ?

    Its the greek word malista

    :especially, chiefly, most of all, above all primary adverb μάλα mála (very); (adverbially) most (in the greatest degree) or particularly:—chiefly, most of all, (e-)specially.

    So its a word Paul uses here to denote and clarify who particularly God in Christ is a Saviour to, not all men without exception, but particularly of they which are
    believers. I fact this verse should dispel the faulty idea of God being the Saviour of unbelievers. Sure even the saved are unbelievers naturally, however they shall be brought to Faith, because the promise is, the Just/justified shall live by Faith Rom 1:17

    Folks Christ rose and ascended as a Prince and a Saviour, not a potential Saviour !
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    Christ is A Saviour/Redeemer for each and every sinner He died for and was raised again for. When He having finished His work for them, He for them obtained eternal redemption/salvation Heb 9:11-12

    11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

    12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.


    The word redemption lytrōsis:



    1. a ransoming, redemption
    2. deliverance, esp. from the penalty of sin

      He obtained for them deliverance from the penalty of sin, which is death See Rom 6:23, hence its impossible for them to go into the second death

      Rev 20:14

      And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.


      The second death is for the penalty of sin charged against them.
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    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Christ is A Saviour/Redeemer for each and every sinner He died for and was raised again for. When He having finished His work for them, He for them obtained eternal redemption/salvation Heb 9:11-12

    11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
    12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.


    The word redemption lytrōsis:



    [LIST=1][*]a ransoming, redemption[*]deliverance, esp. from the penalty of sin

    He obtained for them deliverance from the penalty of sin, which is death See Rom 6:23, hence its impossible for them to go into the second death

    Rev 20:14

    And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.


    The second death is for the penalty of sin charged against them.


    Amen to parts 1 and 2 !

    For these which end up in the second death, it's to pay the price for their own sins because Christ never was their savior Rom. 9:22; they were never any of the Children of God Christ tasted Death for in Heb. 2:9: The Sons / People Eph. 1:4-7 Christ is the Saviour of Mat. 1:21. Thus Christ was never a potential saviour for all man without exception [that's blasphemy against the Blood of Christ], but He tasted death exclusively for all His Seed, and was Risen again from the dead in union with ever man He represented in His Death.
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    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    For these which end up in the second death, it's to pay the price for their own sins because Christ never was their savior Rom. 9:22;
    Exactly

    Thus Christ was never a potential saviour for all man without exception [that's blasphemy against the Blood of Christ], but He tasted death exclusively for all His Seed, and was Risen again from the dead in union with ever man He represented in His Death.
    Amen Sister !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Notice that Christ as risen Saviour gives two blessings in our text Acts 5:31

    31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.Christ gives repentance, its a Saviourhood blessing. Its the word metanoia:

    a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done


    As Saviour those Christ saves He gives,furnishes endues them with repentance, a change of mind He gives them repentance towards God Acts 20:21

    21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Genuine repentance towards God is solely in the hands of Christ to give, and so true Gospel Ministers Preach it in His Name Lk 24:47

    47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

    An unrepentant sinner[final impenitent] cant possibly have Christ as their Saviour or something went wrong, and would contradict Christs Office as Prince and Saviour
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Notice that Christ as risen Saviour gives two blessings in our text Acts 5:31

    31 [FONT="]Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.Christ gives repentance, its a Saviourhood blessing. Its the word [/FONT]metanoia:

    a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done


    As Saviour those Christ saves He gives,furnishes endues them with repentance, a change of mind He gives them repentance towards God Acts 20:21

    21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Genuine repentance towards God is solely in the hands of Christ to give, and so true Gospel Ministers Preach it in His Name Lk 24:47

    47 [FONT="]And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

    An unrepentant sinner[final impenitent] cant possibly have Christ as their Saviour or something went wrong, and would contradict Christs Office as Prince and Saviour[/FONT]

    Exactly, because a permanently unrepentant sinner gives evidence of never being in a saved state; never being given Faith / Repentance in New Birth Gal. 5:22. Hence, Christ not being their Prince and Saviour, they were never part of Elect Israel Eph. 1:4-7 He was Saviour to Acts 5:31; Is. 45:17.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Again they whom Christ is a Saviour to He gives them with repentance also the remission or forgiveness of sins Acts 5:31

    31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

    Which is also Salvation. The knowledge of it is Lk 1:77

    77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Again they whom Christ is a Saviour to He gives them with repentance also the remission or forgiveness of sins Acts 5:31

    31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

    Which is also Salvation. The knowledge of it is Lk 1:77

    77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

    All those whom Christ is a Saviour to Eph. 1:4-7, His People which He foreknew Rom. 11:2, He gives each one of them a Spiritual Knowledge of it Luke 1:77.

    Eph. 1:7, 13

    7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

    13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation [v.7]: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

    Those whom Christ Represented in His Death shall receive the Knowledge of remission of sins in Regeneration John 3:3; and shall Believe because they were apponted to Eternal Life Acts 13:48. For Christ's Righteousness was imputed to them, and their sins imputed to Him. That's the Good News of their Salvation: Their sin debt has been paid in full according to God's Law and Justice; according to the Riches of His Grace!
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    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Rom 8:33-34

    33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

    34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

    One of Christs ministries as Saviour at the right hand of God the Father is making intercession, which doeth consist of exhibiting the merits of His Blood on behalf of Gods elect, His Church, whom He Loved and gave Himself for Eph 5:25 His intercession is an integral part of His Saving to the uttermost all for whom He died Heb 7:25. For it [His intercession] secures every needed spiritual blessing needful for all whom He died and intercedes for to be spiritually converted to God. Christs intercession ensures that that the merits of His saving death/blood are applied, made effectual for all for whom He died ! Thats what He being a Saviour is all about !
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    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Rom 8:33-34

    33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

    34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

    One of Christs ministries as Saviour at the right hand of God the Father is making intercession, which doeth consist of exhibiting the merits of His Blood on behalf of Gods elect, His Church, whom He Loved and gave Himself for Eph 5:25 His intercession is an integral part of His Saving to the uttermost all for whom He died Heb 7:25. For it [His intercession] secures every needed spiritual blessing needful for all whom He died and intercedes for to be spiritually converted to God. Christs intercession ensures that that the merits of His saving death/blood are applied, made effectual for all for whom He died ! Thats what He being a Saviour is all about !

    Amen Brother ! And those Christ Ever Liveth to make Intercession for Rom. 8:33-34 as their Surety Saviour Heb. 7:22, 25: His Church Eph. 5:25 / Sheep John 10:11, shall be Saved by His Life, and this is even while they are being enemies of God and unbelievers, as illustrated by Christ's intercessory prayer for them.

    John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

    Rom. 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    Amen Brother ! And those Christ Ever Liveth to make Intercession for Rom. 8:33-34 as their Surety Saviour Heb. 7:22, 25: His Church Eph. 5:25 / Sheep John 10:11, shall be Saved by His Life, and this is even while they are being enemies of God and unbelievers, as illustrated by Christ's intercessory prayer for them.

    John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

    Rom. 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
    Absolutely My Sister !
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    Absolutely My Sister !
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    In conjunction with Christ being a Saviour of sinners, its written and testified by the Apostle Paul that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners , not to potentially save them 1 Tim 1:15

    15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

    See thats what a Saviour of sinners does, Saves them from sin !
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    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

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    He saves them to the uttermost !

    Those sinners Christ came to save, He came to save them to the uttermost as He lives to make intercession for them Heb 7:25

    25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

    That word uttermost means :

    all complete, entire

    completely, perfectly, utterly

    Yet in mans religion, Hes a potential Saviour.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    In conjunction with Christ being a Saviour of sinners, its written and testified by the Apostle Paul that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners , not to potentially save them 1 Tim 1:15

    15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

    See thats what a Saviour of sinners does, Saves them from sin !

    Christ's mission as the Risen Saviour was to Save from sin exclusively the many sinners 1 Tim. 1:15 that He made Righteous by His Obedience on their behalf.

    Rom. 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


    Now this does not include the sinners which shall remain permanently under God's Wrath, such as these:

    John 3:18, 36

    18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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