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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Why are you being accused by way2go for being cultist?
    Urantia is a cult

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Why are you being accused by way2go for being cultist?

    As for hell yes no surprise that this construct was developed in a time when the church in the wilderness was becoming less jewish for PR reasons...divorcing itself from OT teaching and tradition to market itself to a new demographic hell was an important tool to bring ‘em in...during a time most were illiterate and denied access to scripture themselves to see if these new traditions followed scripture...

    What once was the gospel which brought the goyim in to pack the synagogues to hear Moses read every Sabbath (that being that Someone resurrected) was slowly replaced with “either you do as we tell you or you and your family go to purgatory if you are kinda good and straight to hell if you are bad”(bad being works you didnt do for them...works they made up like you not assisting in the Sunday Mass, worshipping a mystery triune god, used images for worship...etc et al)

    After the first century...much of this new church did not follow the Way but continued the jewish false witness that Yahushua was taught changing the customs and traditions and established new laws...this indeed was a different counterfeit cultist way2go
    All very plausible and reasoned.

    Which is why it's discarded by fundamentalists.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Caino View Post
    In the hell cult, the God of your conception creates finite children, allows an invisible Satan to fool them, even working with Satan to mess with their heads, then raises his children from the dead and tortures them for an eternity? Is it any wonder that sooooo many people don't believe in your idea of God?

    If such a God existed, each day of eternal torture would be proof that he is neither good nor Love.
    That's the "joys" of religious doctrine. People who are brainwashed into it can believe anything, no matter how cruel or monstrous and still, genuinely believe it to be "right". There's no reason or reasoning until they can think outside of dogma. In fairness, you or I could be posting the same if we were brought up in such surroundings.

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    So in the Hell cult, God will eventually destroy the Satan that mislead the world...….but continually keep alive his kids for torture forever?


    I could see Jesus asking, "errrm, Dad, this really isn't making any sense"????

    "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caino View Post
    So in the Hell cult,
    This coming from the Urantia cult...

    God will eventually destroy the Satan that mislead the world...….but continually keep alive his kids for torture forever?
    Straw man.

    I could see Jesus asking, "errrm, Dad, this really isn't making any sense"????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caino View Post
    So in the Hell cult, God will eventually destroy the Satan that mislead the world...….but continually keep alive his kids for torture forever?


    I could see Jesus asking, "errrm, Dad, this really isn't making any sense"????
    And does this torture increase? I mean even POWs build a tolerance to pain and well over ETERNITY what does that look like?

    Who gives the order to turn he dials up and when? Devise new flames even more magical? I mean what fuels this BBQ?

    Take a solid steal ball the size of the earth have a bird fly every 500 years and brush its wing on it...by the time this giant ball of solid steel is worn down to a BB from the bird wings brushing against it...well that will be the first moment of hell’s eternity of ever increasing torture...

    For 70+ years of bad choices and being deceived or trusting the wrong shepherd...etc

    Not sure we worship the same god not seeing the love of Yah there...or what the Bible actually teaches

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    This coming from the Urantia cult...



    Straw man.



    Answer the question. Will God destroy Satan who mislead his children......but resurrect the children that Satan mislead and keep them alive for an eternity so he can torture them?



    "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    And does this torture
    It's torment, Torture implies a torturer. One can be tormented and not have someone tormenting them.

    increase?
    To the extent that their hatred for God increases, yes.

    I mean even POWs build a tolerance to pain and well over ETERNITY what does that look like?


    Who gives the order to turn he dials up and when?
    Who says there's someone to turn the dial in the first place?

    Devise new flames even more magical?
    There's no such thing as magic.

    I mean what fuels this BBQ?
    The unrepentant sinner's rejection of God.

    Take a solid steal ball the size of the earth have a bird fly every 500 years and brush its wing on it...by the time this giant ball of solid steel is worn down to a BB from the bird wings brushing against it...


    https://youtu.be/sl9pTDK8PAk

    well that will be the first moment of hell’s eternity of ever increasing torture...
    Not torture...

    Torment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caino View Post
    Answer the question.
    I did. Your implied accusation was a straw man.

    Will God destroy Satan
    Allow me to clarify:

    Creatures designed to be eternal cannot be destroyed, because to do so would require an infinite amount of effort, over an eternity.

    Both angels and man were designed to be eternal creatures (even with rejuvenation from the Tree of Life).

    who mislead his children......but resurrect the children that Satan mislead and keep them alive for an eternity so he can torture them?
    God Himself cannot destroy that which He created to last forever.

    Therefore your question is misleading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    It's torment, Torture implies a torturer. One can be tormented and not have someone tormenting them.



    To the extent that their hatred for God increases, yes.







    Who says there's someone to turn the dial in the first place?



    There's no such thing as magic.



    The unrepentant sinner's rejection of God.





    https://youtu.be/sl9pTDK8PAk



    Not torture...

    Torment.



    I did. Your implied accusation was a straw man.



    Allow me to clarify:

    Creatures designed to be eternal cannot be destroyed, because to do so would require an infinite amount of effort, over an eternity.

    Both angels and man were designed to be eternal creatures (even with rejuvenation from the Tree of Life).



    God Himself cannot destroy that which He created to last forever.

    Therefore your question is misleading.
    So, effectively, there's a "loving" God who creates beings and doesn't torture them but allows them to suffer for eternity if they don't believe the right thing in a finite lifespan.

    Makes perfect sense in doctrinal, unthinking land I suppose...


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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    And does this torture increase? I mean even POWs build a tolerance to pain and well over ETERNITY what does that look like?

    Who gives the order to turn he dials up and when? Devise new flames even more magical? I mean what fuels this BBQ?

    Take a solid steal ball the size of the earth have a bird fly every 500 years and brush its wing on it...by the time this giant ball of solid steel is worn down to a BB from the bird wings brushing against it...well that will be the first moment of hell’s eternity of ever increasing torture...

    For 70+ years of bad choices and being deceived or trusting the wrong shepherd...etc

    Not sure we worship the same god not seeing the love of Yah there...or what the Bible actually teaches
    This is what doctrines do. Start with something so monstrous beyond reason and then justify it through legalism. That the Bible itself contains the most eloquent descriptions of love doesn't matter a bit. Love is kind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    So, effectively, there's a "loving" God who creates beings and doesn't torture them but allows them to suffer for eternity if they don't believe the right thing in a finite lifespan.
    No, only if they reject Him.

    For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law(for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them )in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. - Romans 2:12-16 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...6&version=NKJV

    But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more. - Luke 12:48 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...8&version=NKJV

    Makes perfect sense in doctrinal, unthinking land I suppose...



    For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom;but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness,but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. - 1 Corinthians 1:18-25 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5&version=NKJV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    This is what doctrines do. Start with something so monstrous beyond reason and then justify it through legalism. That the Bible itself contains the most eloquent descriptions of love doesn't matter a bit. Love is kind?
    Is it loving to those who love God to force those who reject God to live for eternity with those who love God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    No, only if they reject Him.

    For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law(for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them )in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. - Romans 2:12-16 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...6&version=NKJV

    But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more. - Luke 12:48 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...8&version=NKJV





    For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom;but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness,but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. - 1 Corinthians 1:18-25 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5&version=NKJV
    Your silly little smiley's only underline the point. You're just a legalist and it's so ironic given your latter. The legalists of the time seemed to have little to no love about them either. What do you think love is JR? You made an embarrassing allegation in regards to me where you were so wrong it was funny so just be careful if you actually answer on the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Is it loving to those who love God to force those who reject God to live for eternity with those who love God?
    Is it loving to be a pompous, self righteous, judgemental and ignorant jerk?

    Your answer was therein btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Your silly little smiley's only underline the point. You're just a legalist and it's so ironic given your latter. The legalists of the time seemed to have little to no love about them either. What do you think love is JR? You made an embarrassing allegation in regards to me where you were so wrong it was funny so just be careful if you actually answer on the point.


    Typical Arthur Brain.

    When you quote scripture to him in defence of your beliefs, he tries to turn it around with insults.

    Point in case:

    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Is it loving to be a pompous, self righteous, judgemental and ignorant jerk?

    Your answer was therein btw.
    All I see is name calling.

    Could you clarify?

    Is it loving to those who love God to force them to live with those who reject God?

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