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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    you think...well many men have thought many things...and added to the Word...
    Which makes you doubt it.

    You doubt the Bible more than you trust God to have it written in such a way that preserves it as much as possible.

    Ye of little faith.

    oh and when a witch wishes?

    like participate in an act of abomination?
    Please point out this "act of abomination" you think occurred.

    why would they not be persuaded?
    Because they didn't believe what Moses wrote.

    Saul knew Moses and the abomination he participated in...he believed an apparition...Elijah ran from a woman he perceived stronger than the God he had just proven...
    Saul was not righteous. He may have known what Moses wrote, but He didn't believe it.

    As for Elijah, you'll have to provide the passage to refresh my memory on that...

    they don’t...scripture makes that clear to most who would read...but you also think God needs witches...
    No, I think He can work wickedness into His plans.

    no just Saul...he thought the dead could be risen...by witches...

    right... your perceptions are the problem here...
    Says the one who can't read what is plainly written...

    ummm...no...Saul believed Samuel was brought up by a witch...
    So? That doesn't mean that she did. In fact, the text makes it fairly clear that she did not.

    Saul asked the witch to have him leave Abraham’s Bosom
    Did you not notice that the Bible does not record the witch doing anything at all, just that she sees Samuel, and describes him as rising out of the ground?

    Read it again:

    Then the woman said, “Whom shall I bring up for you?” And he said, “Bring up Samuel for me.”When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, “Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!”And the king said to her, “Do not be afraid. What did you see?” And the woman said to Saul, “I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.”So he said to her, “What is his form?” And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.” And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.Now Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?” And Saul answered, “I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.” - 1 Samuel 28:11-15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5&version=NKJV

    The woman was shocked to see Samuel. Which means that she wasn't expecting to see Him. And for someone who claims to be a medium, it's a good sign of a fraud.

    motel...
    Why do you mock God's word?

    Abraham must have played along knowing a witch called
    Conjecture.

    I recommend you just stick to what's written.

    you mean the parts confirming we are sovereign citizens of Israel? Living as He did? Loving as He did?
    Please provide references.

    I doubt you...your ability to discern what is from above and what is from below...
    No, you doubt the Bible, otherwise you wouldn't reject what it plainly and clearly says.

    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    sure it does...and most of Christianity believes it...
    No, it doesn't.

    Jesus constantly says, "you have heard it said" and then follows up with, "but I say to you."

    Compare what He said with the law.

    You'll find that, if anything, what they had "heard it said" was incorrect, but what Jesus said to them, was what the law intended from the start.

    that jewish false witness that He changed the customs Moses delivered...
    Are you actually calling Jesus a false witness?

    Only those that would believe what is written what He taught...some continue to believe what they think...
    Again, if you compare what He said to them to what was written by Moses, you'll find it's the same.

    If you compare what they had heard it said to what was written by Moses, you'll find that what they had heard was wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Posting a youtube video isn't going to make me (or anyone, for that matter) watch it...

    Would you like to instead provide a brief summary of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Which makes you doubt it.

    You doubt the Bible more than you trust God to have it written in such a way that preserves it as much as possible.

    Ye of little faith.
    I dont read the Bible that the donkey spoke on its own...but received a Spirit to do so...

    just like I dont read the Bible that Samual dead under His care was still summoned by a witch...

    You want to add your thinking to it that’s on you...I have faith in what is actually written...dead know nothing...Saul perceived something that was not actual but impersonated...

    Note how Saul asked what the witch “what did you see?” He didnt see it himself...she described what she SAW...Saul assumed it was Samual...and the writer kept the story in that narration style...just as Balsam spoke to the donkey thinking it was the donkey speaking...did not speak to the spirit...



    Please point out this "act of abomination" you think occurred.
    talking to the dead? Idolatry sorcery all abominations...BECAUSE THEY ARE FALSE...



    Because they didn't believe what Moses wrote.
    Moses didn’t write on the afterlife... even the sadduccees didnt believe in resurrection AS IT WAS NOT WRITTEN ON BY MOSES



    Saul was not righteous. He may have known what Moses wrote, but He didn't believe it.
    All witches were to be killed as they were abominations..Saul knew where one existed still...

    As for Elijah, you'll have to provide the passage to refresh my memory on that...
    He was running from Jezebel as he perceived she was to kill him...



    No, I think He can work wickedness into His plans.
    Wow really? So He uses witches now? Does that explain why so many who profess Him still follow evil ways?



    Says the one who can't read what is plainly written...
    what is plain is that Saul actually did NOT even see Samual but perceived what the witch saw as Samual...


    So? That doesn't mean that she did. In fact, the text makes it fairly clear that she did not.
    then why are you going on and on about Samaul being taken from Abraham’s bosom...not just woken up...but raised up from Abraham’s bosom...



    Did you not notice that the Bible does not record the witch doing anything at all, just that she sees Samuel, and describes him as rising out of the ground?

    Read it again:

    Then the woman said, “Whom shall I bring up for you?” And he said, “Bring up Samuel for me.”When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, “Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!”And the king said to her, “Do not be afraid. What did you see?” And the woman said to Saul, “I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.”So he said to her, “What is his form?” And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.” And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.Now Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?” And Saul answered, “I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.” - 1 Samuel 28:11-15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5&version=NKJV

    The woman was shocked to see Samuel. Which means that she wasn't expecting to see Him. And for someone who claims to be a medium, it's a good sign of a fraud.
    so it was an imposter by a demon...ok thanks...my point...

    Witch was surprised she saw anything as normally nothing happens and she pretends...certainly surprised she may possibly have power over those not only burning with scorched tongues but those in Abraham’s bosom motel...she probably thought those were beyond her control...



    Why do you mock God's word?
    because it’s a popular folk tale used for teaching forgiveness and not a teaching on the state of the dead



    Conjecture.

    I recommend you just stick to what's written.
    LOL...if the good dead go to Abraham’s Bosom motel then Abraham must know who checks out to return to the surface having been summoned by a witch...and OK’d it...



    Please provide references.
    wow really...Eph 2:19 and well children know we are to live more like Him and love as He loved us...look that up yourself again...



    No, you doubt the Bible, otherwise you wouldn't reject what it plainly and clearly says.
    dead know nothing...His friend was asleep...DEAD...not checked into Abraham’s Bosom motel...



    No, it doesn't.

    Jesus constantly says, "you have heard it said" and then follows up with, "but I say to you."

    Compare what He said with the law.

    You'll find that, if anything, what they had "heard it said" was incorrect, but what Jesus said to them, was what the law intended from the start.
    Do what they teach from Moses seat...not what they do...Matt 23:3

    And yes they DO NOT believe they are to do that...some so MAD they think it dont apply to them...raptured themselves from obligations or accountability or responsibilities...squatters in the divided kingdom



    Are you actually calling Jesus a false witness?
    LOL...you are so twisted you dont know which way is UP...His way...

    Actually you are calling Him a liar because He said His friend Lazarus was asleep...dead...but you insist he was in Abraham’s Bosom motel...So He lied...



    Again, if you compare what He said to them to what was written by Moses, you'll find it's the same.

    If you compare what they had heard it said to what was written by Moses, you'll find that what they had heard was wrong.
    Just comparing what you post and what is written...thanks...

    And MENE MENE TEKEL...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Posting a youtube video isn't going to make me (or anyone, for that matter) watch it...

    Would you like to instead provide a brief summary of it?
    Wasn’t posted just for you...wasnt even addressed to you...feel free to reject it too...

    but others might see that Saul was abandoned by Yah...Samual knew that...why would he even address Saul leaving Abraham’s Bosom motel...when he didnt speak to him while alive?

    You really do cling desperately to man’s traditions and the lie “you shall not surely die”...

    https://www.truthaboutdeath.com/q-an...amuel-at-endor

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Posting a youtube video isn't going to make me (or anyone, for that matter) watch it...

    Would you like to instead provide a brief summary of it?
    That is a pity you dont study or berea everything...test all things...

    That demon concludes 1 Sam 28:19 “Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me...”

    So let’s pretend that popular folktale He re-told is actually a documentary:

    So Samuel was faithful and obedient and thus worthy to be in Abraham’s Bosom motel yes?

    Where as Saul was already outcast rejected and doomed to a tongue scorching yes?

    So “with me” in the above text would be where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    That is a pity you dont study or berea everything...test all things...

    That demon concludes 1 Sam 28:19 “Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me...”

    So let’s pretend that popular folktale He re-told is actually a documentary:

    So Samuel was faithful and obedient and thus worthy to be in Abraham’s Bosom motel yes?

    Where as Saul was already outcast rejected and doomed to a tongue scorching yes?

    So “with me” in the above text would be where?
    where the richman is

    Luk 16:24 And he called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    where the richman is

    Luk 16:24 And he called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.'
    So Samual is with the rich man?

    Odd he seems annoyed with being called up...would think he would be grateful and ask for water...


    Believing apparitions means Yahushua lied when He said Lazarus was dead because Lazarus was actually at Abraham’s Bosom motel...

    Add to the word to your own destruction...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    I dont read the Bible that the donkey spoke on its own...but received a Spirit to do so...
    Then the Lord opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?” - Numbers 22:28 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...8&version=NKJV

    I don't see any spirits being received, only a donkey having it's mouth opened (in other words, it was given the ability to speak).

    just like I dont read the Bible that Samual
    It's "SamuEL," not "Samual".

    dead under His care was still summoned by a witch...
    That sentence made no sense whatsoever.

    You want to add your thinking to it that’s on you...
    You presume to know my heart?

    I have faith in what is actually written...
    No you don't. That's the point of my posts.

    I'm trying to correct your preconceived notions of what scripture says with ACTUAL SCRIPTURE.

    dead know nothing...
    Solomon was writing about something else. But you wouldn't know that because you don't have a proper understanding of what he wrote.

    Saul perceived something that was not actual but impersonated...
    The passage clearly states that Samuel was brought up from the ground.

    Note how Saul asked what the witch “what did you see?”
    I noted that.

    I ALSO noted, that it then says:

    And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down. - 1 Samuel 28:14b http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...4&version=NKJV

    He didnt see it himself...
    The verse just above shows that to be false.

    she described what she SAW...
    And then Saul perceived that it was Samuel.

    AND SAMUEL said....

    So he said to her, “What is his form?” And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle.” And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.Now Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?” And Saul answered, “I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.” - 1 Samuel 28:14-15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5&version=NKJV

    Why do you deny what is plainly written?

    Saul assumed it was Samual...
    No, not "assumed."

    "Perceived."


    Strong's h3045

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    - Phonetic Spelling: yaw-dah'
    - Definition: know.
    - Origin: A primitive root; to know (properly, to ascertain by seeing); used in a great variety of senses, figuratively, literally, euphemistically and inferentially (including observation, care, recognition; and causatively, instruction, designation, punishment, etc.) (as follow).
    - Usage: acknowledge, acquaintance(-ted with), advise, answer, appoint, assuredly, be aware, (un-)awares, can(-not), certainly, comprehend, consider, X could they, cunning, declare, be diligent, (can, cause to) discern, discover, endued with, familiar friend, famous, feel, can have, be (ig-)norant, instruct, kinsfolk, kinsman, (cause to let, make) know, (come to give, have, take) knowledge, have (knowledge), (be, make, make to be, make self) known, + be learned, + lie by man, mark, perceive, privy to, X prognosticator, regard, have respect, skilful, shew, can (man of) skill, be sure, of a surety, teach, (can) tell, understand, have (understanding), X will be, wist, wit, wot.
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    and the writer kept the story in that narration style...
    This is conjecture, and unverifiable.

    The passage clearly states that Samuel was the one speaking in verse 15.

    just as Balaam spoke to the donkey thinking it was the donkey speaking...
    The donkey WAS speaking.

    It clearly says that the Lord gave the donkey the ability to talk.

    did not speak to the spirit...
    Right, because the donkey was the one speaking, and Balaam couldn't see why the donkey wasn't moving.

    Exactly like the verse says.

    talking to the dead? Idolatry sorcery all abominations...BECAUSE THEY ARE FALSE...
    I asked you to point out (in the text) where such occurred.

    Not give examples of such actions.

    Moses didn’t write on the afterlife... even the sadduccees didnt believe in resurrection AS IT WAS NOT WRITTEN ON BY MOSES
    I didn't say he did.

    Nor is it what was said. Read it more carefully, if that's even possible for you:

    Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ” - Luke 16:29-31 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...1&version=NKJV

    All witches were to be killed as they were abominations..Saul knew where one existed still...
    And? what's your point?

    He was running from Jezebel as he perceived she was to kill him...
    I asked for the book, chapter, and verse. Are you able to give that to me?

    Wow really? So He uses witches now?
    And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. - Romans 8:28 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...8&version=NKJV

    Does that explain why so many who profess Him still follow evil ways?


    what is plain is that Saul actually did NOT even see Samual but perceived what the witch saw as Samual...
    Wrong. Scripture couldn't be any clearer:


    ... And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.Now Samuel said to Saul, ... - 1 Samuel 28:14-15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5&version=NKJV



    then why are you going on and on about Samaul being taken from Abraham’s bosom...not just woken up...but raised up from Abraham’s bosom...

    Where was Abraham’s Bosom?

    Abraham’s Bosom was located “down below” the heavens in the depths of the earth. Jesus referred to it as the “heart of the earth” (Matthew 12:40) and it was the abode of the righteous dead prior to Jesus’ resurrection. Jesus also referred to this place as “paradise,” when He promised the thief on the cross next to Him that he would be with Him that same day, in paradise. (Luke 23:43)

    https://reasonsforhopejesus.com/old-...brahams-bosom/

    so it was an imposter by a demon...ok thanks...my point...
    How in the world do you come to THAT conclusion!?

    IT WAS SAMUEL, just like scripture says it was! Not some demon imposter.

    I said that the witch didn't do anything, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't Samuel...

    Witch was surprised she saw anything as normally nothing happens and she pretends...
    I believe that's exactly what I said...

    certainly surprised she may possibly have power over those not only burning with scorched tongues but those in Abraham’s bosom motel...she probably thought those were beyond her control...
    This is conjecture, and not an actual argument.

    The witch was surprised to see Samuel.

    This fact is in NO WAY evidence that it was not Samuel.

    because it’s a popular folk tale used for teaching forgiveness and not a teaching on the state of the dead
    So you admit to mocking God's word, then?

    Because that's exactly what you just did.

    LOL...if the good dead go to Abraham’s Bosom motel then Abraham must know who checks out to return to the surface having been summoned by a witch...and OK’d it...


    you mean the parts confirming we are sovereign citizens of Israel? Living as He did? Loving as He did?
    Please provide references
    wow really...Eph 2:19 and well children know we are to live more like Him and love as He loved us...look that up yourself again...
    Ephesians 2:19 has nothing to do with Israel, but rather with the household of God.

    Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, - Ephesians 2:19 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9&version=NKJV

    Also, it says nothing about being "sovereign citizens."

    dead know nothing...
    Has nothing to do with this.

    His friend was asleep...DEAD...not checked into Abraham’s Bosom motel...
    Abraham's Bosom is not a motel.

    Quit calling it that.

    Do what they teach from Moses seat...not what they do...Matt 23:3

    And yes they DO NOT believe they are to do that...some so MAD they think it dont apply to them...raptured themselves from obligations or accountability or responsibilities...squatters in the divided kingdom
    Which has nothing to do with what I said.

    that jewish false witness that He changed the customs Moses delivered...
    Are you actually calling Jesus a false witness
    LOL...you are so twisted you dont know which way is UP...His way...
    I asked you a question, I expect an answer.

    Yes or no: Did you call Jesus a "false witness." Or did you make a typo and forget to name another person to call a false witness?

    Actually you are calling Him a liar because He said His friend Lazarus was asleep...dead...but you insist he was in Abraham’s Bosom
    He was BOTH dead AND in Abraham's Bosom.

    The two are NOT mutually exclusive.

    Death is not a place. It's a state of being.

    Abraham's Bosom is not a state of being, it's a place.

    motel...
    Enough with the "motel" mockery.

    So He lied...
    No, He didn't.

    Just comparing what you post and what is written...thanks...
    You should do what I said.

    You might learn something.

    And MENE MENE TEKEL...


    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Wasn’t posted just for you...wasnt even addressed to you...feel free to reject it too...
    Not the point.

    If you're going to post a YouTube video, provide a brief summary of the video, that way it shows that you have some understanding of what's being said, and it allows people to continue the discussion without having to watch the video, which takes more time than just reading a summary.

    In other words:

    Posting a YouTube video doesn't excuse you from explaining your beliefs.

    but others might see that Saul was abandoned by Yah...Samual knew that...why would he even address Saul leaving Abraham’s Bosom
    [QUOTE]when he didnt speak to him while alive?

    What are you talking about? You mean before Samuel died? Or after?

    motel...


    You really do cling desperately to man’s traditions and the lie “you shall not surely die”...

    https://www.truthaboutdeath.com/q-an...amuel-at-endor
    Care to provide an excerpt from that site that makes your point?

    I don't have time to go reading through some website.

    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    That is a pity you dont study or berea everything...test all things...
    You claim to know my daily life?

    Presumptuous.

    That demon concludes 1 Sam 28:19 “Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with you into the hand of the Philistines. And tomorrow you and your sons will be with me...”
    Incorrect.

    SAMUEL is the one speaking.

    There are no demons in 1 Samuel 28.

    So let’s pretend that popular folktale He re-told is actually a documentary:

    So Samuel was faithful and obedient and thus worthy to be in Abraham’s Bosom motel yes?

    Where as Saul was already outcast rejected and doomed to a tongue scorching yes?

    So “with me” in the above text would be where?
    In Sheol, the place of the dead.

    Also called Hades, Hell, the Grave...

    Abraham's Bosom was a separate compartment in Sheol. The link I provided above goes into more detail.

    Abraham's Bosom is also referred to indirectly as a city of refuge.

    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    So Samual is with the rich man?
    No. Samuel is now in Heaven, and the rich man is still in Hell, Hades.

    Prior to Christ's three days in the grave, however, Samuel was in Abraham's Bosom, a compartment of Hell, separated from the rest of hell by "a great gulf.

    Odd he seems annoyed with being called up...
    I would be too if I was brought back from the dead...

    would think he would be grateful and ask for water...
    Why?

    Believing apparitions means Yahushua lied when He said Lazarus was dead because Lazarus was actually at Abraham’s Bosom motel...
    I'm not following your logic here...

    Please explain.

    Add to the word to your own destruction...
    Huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    So Samual is with the rich man?
    you asked where is Saul

    Where as Saul was already outcast rejected and doomed to a tongue scorching yes?

    So “with me” in the above text would be where?


    Saul is where the richman is

    Luk 16:24 And he called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.'

    Believing apparitions means Yahushua lied when He said Lazarus was dead because Lazarus was actually at Abraham’s Bosom motel...
    luke16:22 says Lazarus died & went to be with Abraham & I believe it you deny it.

    Luk 16:22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried,

    Add to the word to your own destruction...
    you take away from The Word to your own destruction when you deny what is written

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    Abraham's Bosom is not a motel.

    Quit calling it that.



    Enough with the "motel" mockery.

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