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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    And you think if someone talks "mean" to you, they aren't showing love?
    No. In the case of "Right Divider" & "Judge Rightly" they just embarrassed themselves by going on about love as if it was a teenage crush or something. Why, who knows... In the case of Musterion then no, not at all. He "exemplified" that already. Anyone who can contemplate the suffering of another with glee lacks the very thing in question.

    "Mean" has nothing to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Then don't you feel silly for bringing it up?
    No, because I hadn't implied that a starving person was bereft of a conscience to start with. That was all you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    No. In the case of "Right Divider" & "Judge Rightly" they just embarrassed themselves by going on about love as if it was a teenage crush or something. Why, who knows... In the case of Musterion then no, not at all. He "exemplified" that already. Anyone who can contemplate the suffering of another with glee lacks the very thing in question.

    "Mean" has nothing to do with it.
    You, of course, would have no "glee" if the man who tortured and killed your entire family, for instance, was sent to the chair. You are too loving for that to ever be the case.

    That's the kind of "glee" Musty is talking about. It's called justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    No, because I hadn't implied that a starving person was bereft of a conscience to start with. That was all you.

    No, that's not true. I was talking about a conscience all along. You brought up all the weird eyelid and starving stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    You, of course, would have no "glee" if the man who tortured and killed your entire family, for instance, was sent to the chair. You are too loving for that to ever be the case.

    That's the kind of "glee" Musty is talking about. It's called justice.
    No, it isn't and I'm surprised that you're reduced to such an "argument". If someone tortured and killed my loved ones then darned sure I'd want them brought to account. If I had the opportunity I may well be inclined to dispense my own form of "justice" in turn which certainly wouldn't have much love about it. So there you are GD, I'm human and I'll admit that if someone hurt those I care about I'd want them to pay a price.

    That isn't remotely comparable to what Musty's going on about. He would gladly take pleasure in the eternal suffering of a stranger who just didn't happen to have the right belief in life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    No, that's not true. I was talking about a conscience all along. You brought up all the weird eyelid and starving stuff.
    Yes, it is. Unless you equate a conscience with having belief then this is all on you as I implied no such thing. It's your fault for inferring it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    No, it isn't and I'm surprised that you're reduced to such an "argument". If someone tortured and killed my loved ones then darned sure I'd want them brought to account. If I had the opportunity I may well be inclined to dispense my own form of "justice" in turn which certainly wouldn't have much love about it. So there you are GD, I'm human and I'll admit that if someone hurt those I care about I'd want them to pay a price.

    That isn't remotely comparable to what Musty's going on about. He would gladly take pleasure in the eternal suffering of a stranger who just didn't happen to have the right belief in life?
    Ah, so you're only concerned when it affects you personally. Too bad for those other people who have been affected by the rest of the ungodly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Yes, it is. Unless you equate a conscience with having belief then this is all on you as I implied no such thing. It's your fault for inferring it.
    Nonsense. We were talking about all those people who never had a chance to hear the Gospel. Deepest darkest Africa for instance. Try to keep on topic, Artie, then we won't have this problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Ah, so you're only concerned when it affects you personally. Too bad for those other people who have been affected by the rest of the ungodly.
    No, I answered you in regards to how I'd feel if someone hurt my loved ones, with honesty. I didn't say I was only concerned with that which would affect me personally and it's bizarre that you'd even make that argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Nonsense. We were talking about all those people who never had a chance to hear the Gospel. Deepest darkest Africa for instance. Try to keep on topic, Artie, then we won't have this problem.
    The problem is yours. I didn't remotely suggest that a starving person couldn't have a conscience and it's all there in black and white.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post

    Don't play coy GD, it doesn't become you.
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    and it's bizarre that you'd even make that argument.
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    The problem is yours.

    Gosh, I'm having fun now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    No, it isn't and I'm surprised that you're reduced to such an "argument". If someone tortured and killed my loved ones then darned sure I'd want them brought to account. If I had the opportunity I may well be inclined to dispense my own form of "justice" in turn which certainly wouldn't have much love about it. So there you are GD, I'm human and I'll admit that if someone hurt those I care about I'd want them to pay a price.

    That isn't remotely comparable to what Musty's going on about. He would gladly take pleasure in the eternal suffering of a stranger who just didn't happen to have the right belief in life?




    The righteous shall rejoice when he sees the vengeance; He shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked,So that men will say, “Surely there is a reward for the righteous; Surely He is God who judges in the earth.” - Psalm 58:10-11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...1&version=NKJV

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Gosh, I'm having fun now.
    Oh, well good for you.

    Happy new year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post




    The righteous shall rejoice when he sees the vengeance; He shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked,So that men will say, “Surely there is a reward for the righteous; Surely He is God who judges in the earth.” - Psalm 58:10-11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...1&version=NKJV
    Amazing how folk can contort things to justify their happiness at other people's suffering. No wonder you were reduced to some juvenile "quip" where it came to love.

    Happy new year anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    That's the kind of "glee" Musty is talking about. It's called justice.
    He wants to frame it as glee so the implication of it being a righteous thing -- grave, awful and terrible, but righteous -- can be temporarily dodged.
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
    Terence Mc Lean

    [most will be very surprised]


    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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