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    Quote Originally Posted by Caino View Post
    Yes, the Bible says that God puts lying spirits into people and partners with Satan to mess with people.
    Include the scripture so that we can verify.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Doser:

    Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Lest you also be like him. - Proverbs 26:4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...4&version=NKJV

    “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces. - Matthew 7:6 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...6&version=NKJV

    Arty: Y u no answer me!
    How about you give a straight answer as to what it means to be "saved" JR and how that comes about? Never mind your buddy doser, just how about you set things out?

    Up to that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkins View Post
    The verse is written in an absolute sense of God's sovereignty.

    Exodus 8:32 (NIV2011)
    But this time also Pharaoh hardened his heart and would not let the people go.

    When written from the perspective of God's absolute sovereignty,

    Exodus 9:12 (NIV2011)
    But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses.

    that's an interesting consideration

    i had always interpreted Exodus 8:32 as pharoah's free will choice and Exodus 9:12 as God using him to His purposes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    (asks) what it means to be "saved" ...

    it's the most wonderful thing in the world, to know that you're saved, to be in Christ

    i have no idea what you mean by "saved" - seems like it's something you think is "just for a laugh"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Those in the body of Christ are secure. You're very confused about what the Bible says.
    Just quoting what the Bible says. No more, no less. You might want to compare what the Bible says with what you personally believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkins View Post
    The verse is written in an absolute sense of God's sovereignty.

    Exodus 8:32 (NIV2011)
    But this time also Pharaoh hardened his heart and would not let the people go.

    When written from the perspective of God's absolute sovereignty,

    Exodus 9:12 (NIV2011)
    But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses.


    I actually know how all mankind can be fooled by a delusion. The name of such a delusion is "Evidence". Such a delusion is introduced by our secular education system ever since our childhood. Humans believe that something needs to be evidenced in order to considered a truth or fact. Our reality however doesn't run this way. Instead, humans in majority rely on putting faith in a "middle man" standing between a truth and humans in majority to reach a truth.

    For an example, the "middle man" between a scientific truth and humans in majority is our scientists. Humans in majority don't have any evidence before they consider the existence of black holes a scientific fact. It is our scientists who act as a "middle man" to gather the evidence for the rest of human kind to get to such a truth, by faith!


    Another example. Can you evidence one out of the million meals you ever had in your life time? You can't. We can to what you ate in a particular meal if you or a reliable eyewitness recorded down what you ate for the rest of human kind to believe with faith. That's way how we can reach the truth of what you ate. More often, it remains the only way! It is a process of human witnessing where evidence itself has no bearing!

    This is how this very reality works, the delusion says otherwise though.
    When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone. Its impossible for God to do anything deceitful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodeneye View Post
    When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone. Its impossible for God to do anything deceitful!
    For thou, O God, hast proved us:
    Thou hast tried us, as silver is tried.

    Psalm 66:10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Include the scripture so that we can verify.
    2 Chronicles 18 18-22

    18Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing on His right and on His left.

    19And the LORD said, ‘Who will entice Ahab king of Israel to march up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’

    And one suggested this, and another that.

    20Then a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD, and said, ‘I will entice him.’

    ‘By what means?’ asked the LORD.

    21And he replied, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’

    ‘You will surely entice him and prevail,’ said the LORD. ‘Go and do it.’

    22So you see, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of these prophets of yours, and the LORD has pronounced disaster against you.”


    Job 1:12


    12 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your 1power, only do not put forth your hand on him.” So Satan departed from the presence of the Lord.

    "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodeneye View Post
    Just quoting what the Bible says. No more, no less. You might want to compare what the Bible says with what you personally believe.
    Oh boy... another one that likes to use that show stopper....
    I believe the Bible and you don't.... see how that works?
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by comingfrom View Post
    For thou, O God, hast proved us:
    Thou hast tried us, as silver is tried.

    Psalm 66:10
    The "us" there does not include you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    That explains why your an idiot.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
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    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caino View Post
    2 Chronicles 18 18-22

    18Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing on His right and on His left.

    19And the LORD said, ‘Who will entice Ahab king of Israel to march up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’

    And one suggested this, and another that.

    20Then a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD, and said, ‘I will entice him.’

    ‘By what means?’ asked the LORD.

    21And he replied, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’

    ‘You will surely entice him and prevail,’ said the LORD. ‘Go and do it.’

    22So you see, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of these prophets of yours, and the LORD has pronounced disaster against you.”

    Job 1:12

    12 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your 1power, only do not put forth your hand on him.” So Satan departed from the presence of the Lord.
    I see no "partnering with Satan" there. You have a vivid imagination.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodeneye View Post
    When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone. Its impossible for God to do anything deceitful!

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    You are right. God doesn't deceive. However when said in terms of His absolute sovereignty, the proper phrase may be "He allows such a delusion to happen."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    that's an interesting consideration

    i had always interpreted Exodus 8:32 as pharoah's free will choice and Exodus 9:12 as God using him to His purposes
    Ancient Jews took the perspective of God's absolute sovereignty with a priority that sometimes today's people may have to consider that perspective a contradiction.


    1 Chronicles 21:1 (NIV2011)
    Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.

    1 Chronicles 21:10 (NIV2011)
    “Go and tell David, ‘This is what the LORD says: I am giving you three options. Choose one of them for me to carry out against you.’ ”



    versus,

    2 Samuel 24:1 (NIV2011)
    Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.”

    2 Samuel 24:12 (NIV2011)
    “Go and tell David, ‘This is what the LORD says: I am giving you three options. Choose one of them for me to carry out against you.’ ”



    It's a similar situation to say about the delusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    I see no "partnering with Satan" there. You have a vivid imagination.
    Looks like God put a lying spirit into you too.

    "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caino View Post
    Looks like God put a lying spirit into you too.
    False accusation. Looks more like you are the partner with Satan.
    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

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    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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