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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    John W. claims to be a defender of the faith, when in reality he is an enemy of the Gospel.

    To teach that the law has not been abolished, is to teach that Christians are still under condemnation.

    .
    Confirmed, again. Pate'solution to the sin/sins issue, is not that Christ died, in our place, to take the just,deserved condemnation of us, in our place, for breaking His own good, holy, spiritual law, thus committing sins, which is the transgression of the law, and results in a sin debt/penalty, his satanic "solution," is to destroy, make void the law, so that there is no sin debt, no condemnation for which Christ might die, in our stead-"for."He denies substitutionary atonement, thus his satanic "vicarious lawkeeping" doctrine of demons.

    Thus, Pate, on record, asserts that Christ did not die for our sins.

    He won't touch this-watch.

    As asked, over 100 times, Pate:

    -If the law was abolished 2000+ years ago, then how can Christ die for your/our sins/sib debt, when you assert that there is no longer any law, that defines sin/transgression, and thus no sin debt for which he must die?


    -If the law was abolished 2000+ years ago, and you assert, on record, that you commit sins daily,then how can that be, when you assert that there is no longer any law, that defines sin/transgression, and thus no sin which you can commit? If there is no sin debt, that you "owe," and that the solution is to destroy the law, so that you cannot be condemned/judged for breaking a non existing law(your solution), tell us how Christ died for your sins?


    -Did Christ die for your sins, Pate? What objective standard defines those sins that you commit? It cannot be the good, holy, spiritual law of God, as you assert that the Lord Jesus Christ made it void 2000+ years ago.


    ANSWER YOUR OWN ARGUMENT, pope Pate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    All that Jesus is and all that Jesus did was for our salvation and justification.

    To not believe that is to not believe the Gospel. To not believe the Gospel is to not be born again.
    The soundbyte spam of a closed mind, a cult of one.

    PS

    Members of the Body of Christ are not born again. They are slain in Him and raised to newness of life as a new creation.
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
    Terence Mc Lean

    [most will be very surprised]


    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    All that Jesus is and all that Jesus did was for our salvation and justification.
    Flowery vague platitudes does not truth make.

    Was this for your salvation and justification?
    Mat 10:5-10 KJV
    (5) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
    (6) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    (7) And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
    (8) Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
    (9) Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
    (10) Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    To not believe that is to not believe the Gospel. To not believe the Gospel is to not be born again.
    Not according to your fake version of the "gospel".

    The gospel of the grace of God is not something that you really understand.

    The Bible has many, many details that you ignore.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    The law was nailed to the cross along with our sins, Colossians 2:14.
    So, if all of our sins were, tell us how Christ can die for the sins you commit each day, when there is no law, and thus no transgression, sin, for which he might die, demon.


    Go ahead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    The soundbyte spam of a closed mind, a cult of one.

    PS

    Members of the Body of Christ are not born again. They are slain in Him and raised to newness of life as a new creation.
    RP cannot understand the context of Jesus' earthly ministry (like most of Churchianity). Therefore, he must mash it, smash it, blend it. etc. etc. etc.

    This has led him to immense confusion and pride. He hates those that simply believe the gospel of the grace of God and calls us all "unsaved". He, of course, being the only saved one.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Flowery vague platitudes does not truth make.

    Was this for your salvation and justification?
    Mat 10:5-10 KJV
    (5) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
    (6) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    (7) And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
    (8) Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
    (9) Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
    (10) Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.


    Not according to your fake version of the "gospel".

    The gospel of the grace of God is not something that you really understand.

    The Bible has many, many details that you ignore.

    So, you don't believe that all that Jesus is and all that Jesus did was for our salvation and justification?

    Then answer this? Who was he living for? dying for? ascending into heaven for and is at the right hand of God for?

    Perhaps this is why you and your friends are spiritually dead as a rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    So, you don't believe that all that Jesus is and all that Jesus did was for our salvation and justification?
    I don't believe the RP fairy tale.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Then answer this? Who was he living for? dying for? ascending into heaven for and is at the right hand of God for?
    You just cannot get our of your own way. Your pride is eating you alive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Perhaps this is why you and your friends are spiritually dead as a rock.
    False accusations are a sin RP.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    RP cannot understand the context of Jesus' earthly ministry (like most of Churchianity). Therefore, he must mash it, smash it, blend it. etc. etc. etc.

    This has led him to immense confusion and pride. He hates those that simply believe the gospel of the grace of God and calls us all "unsaved". He, of course, being the only saved one.

    Tell me this.

    How does Jesus justify the ungodly? Romans 4:5.

    How does Jesus reconcile a world of lost sinners unto himself? 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    I am not through with this Forum just yet. I still have a few things to say to the many Gospel hating, religious reprobates on this Forum that are hell bound.

    WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE BORN AGAIN?

    Jesus said, "That which is born of flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit. Marvel not that I said unto you, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN" John 3:6,7.

    Only about 10% of professing Christians have been born again. There are multitudes of professing believers that are as spiritually dead as a rock. They cannot receive the truth of God's word. No one can hear and believe the Gospel without the indwelling Holy Spirit, who is the teacher of truth, John 14:17. They hear, but they cannot believe.

    Paul wrote, "For unto us was the Gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it" Hebrews 4:2.

    They heard the Gospel, but they didn't believe the Gospel. We are saved and born again by hearing and believing the Gospel, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO BE SAVED, There are many counterfeits that have gone forward in church services or have said the sinners prayer, but don't believe or understand the Gospel, Galatians 3:2. Yet they profess to be Christians.

    You must be born again by the word of God, which is the Gospel, 1 Peter 1:23. If the Gospel is not meaningful to you, chances are you have not been born again. To those that have been born again the Gospel of Jesus Christ is everything to them. They are resting in what Christ has accomplished for them, They have entered into HIS rest, Hebrews 4:10.
    Does the Gospel tell sinners that sinner Christ died for are still lost and condemned like you do ?
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    So, if all of our sins were, tell us how Christ can die for the sins you commit each day, when there is no law, and thus no transgression, sin, for which he might die, demon.


    Go ahead.

    Like I said, one of your problems is that you don't believe the Bible, Colossians 2:14. There is 0 evidence that you are a Christian. God can find no sin in the man that confesses with his mouth the Lord Jesus and believes in his heart that God has raised him from the dead, Romans 10:8-10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Tell me this.

    How does Jesus justify the ungodly? Romans 4:5.

    How does Jesus reconcile a world of lost sinners unto himself? 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
    Dont you believe sinners Christ died for still wind up lost and condemned ? Be honest
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Does the Gospel tell sinners that sinner Christ died for are still lost and condemned like you do ?
    You are another dead rock. Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Like I said, one of your problems is that you don't believe the Bible, Colossians 2:14.
    No, like you spam, to me/others, when we do not believe your satanic interpretation of Col. 2:14 KJV.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    There is 0 evidence that you are a Christian.
    Which he spams to everyone that disagrees with him, and admits that he is a fruit inspector Catholic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    God can find no sin in the man that confesses with his mouth the Lord Jesus and believes in his heart that God has raised him from the dead, Romans 10:8-10.
    Yes, because He died for them, taking, in our place, the penalty/judgment/condemnation, in our place, YOU DENY THAT SOLUTION, asserting that he did not die for our/your sins, and instead, died to eliminate the law, so that no one can be even charged with sin debt, condemnation.



    Tell us how Christ can die for the sins you commit each day, when there is no law, and thus no transgression, sin, for which he might die, demon.


    Go ahead.



    John W. claims to be a defender of the faith, when in reality he is an enemy of the Gospel.

    To teach that the law has not been abolished, is to teach that Christians are still under condemnation.

    .
    Confirmed, again. Pate'solution to the sin/sins issue, is not that Christ died, in our place, to take the just,deserved condemnation of us, in our place, for breaking His own good, holy, spiritual law, thus committing sins, which is the transgression of the law, and results in a sin debt/penalty, his satanic "solution," is to destroy, make void the law, so that there is no sin debt, no condemnation for which Christ might die, in our stead-"for."He denies substitutionary atonement, thus his satanic "vicarious lawkeeping" doctrine of demons.

    Thus, Pate, on record, asserts that Christ did not die for our sins.

    He won't touch this-watch.

    As asked, over 100 times, Pate:

    -If the law was abolished 2000+ years ago, then how can Christ die for your/our sins/sib debt, when you assert that there is no longer any law, that defines sin/transgression, and thus no sin debt for which he must die?


    -If the law was abolished 2000+ years ago, and you assert, on record, that you commit sins daily,then how can that be, when you assert that there is no longer any law, that defines sin/transgression, and thus no sin which you can commit? If there is no sin debt, that you "owe," and that the solution is to destroy the law, so that you cannot be condemned/judged for breaking a non existing law(your solution), tell us how Christ died for your sins?


    -Did Christ die for your sins, Pate? What objective standard defines those sins that you commit? It cannot be the good, holy, spiritual law of God, as you assert that the Lord Jesus Christ made it void 2000+ years ago.


    ANSWER YOUR OWN ARGUMENT, pope Pate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Tell me this.

    How does Jesus justify the ungodly? Romans 4:5.
    By grace through faith. I'm surprised that you don't know this.

    Rom 4:5 KJV
    (5) But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

    Eph 2:8-9 KJV
    (8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    (9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    How does Jesus reconcile a world of lost sinners unto himself? 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
    Instead of playing pet verse hop-scotch, take ALL of the scripture seriously.

    Keep reading the rest of 1 Cor 5

    2Co 5:20-21 KJV
    (20) Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
    (21) For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    Do you think that God made Christ "to be sin for us" by deleting the law?

    Learn about sacrificial atonement and you might get somewhere.

    Heb 9:26 KJV
    (26) For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
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    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    You are another dead rock. Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.
    According to pateism it didnt do any good, since sinners He did it for are lost and condemned.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
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    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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