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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    You have some sort of mental self esteem problem.
    =spam, and psycho babble. No, I am charged to expose wolves, perverters of the gospel of Christ, like you, wolfie.

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    Christian don't call other Christians names,
    You're not a Christian, so, again, you made a dementia driven, moronic post.

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    ...as a matter of fact Christians don't call anyone names.
    You just lied, again, Pate, and assert that Paul, Peter, ...........................were not Christians, as they name called. Name calling is biblical, biblical moron.
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    It is not of the Holy Spirit, which leads me to believe that you are as spiritually dead as a rock. ]
    =pope Pate's spam to anyone, that disagrees with his satanic "doctrine."
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    Tells us about how you became a Christian? What is your testimony?
    Already have, for years, on TOL, while you've been consulting with your father the devil.

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    There is 0 evidence that you are indwelt with the Holy Spirit.
    =spam, to everyone that disagrees with him, and once again demonstrates that he is a Catholic, a "fruit inspector."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    "You and John W. are spiritually dead"..... yah... that's not name calling.

    Yes, he is a "whited wall"(Acts 23:3 KJV).

    Uh, oh.....

    Pate:Stop it, Paul!!!!!!Christians don't call anyone names!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    There is something wrong. You have trouble with the scriptures. The Bible plainly says that the law has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14. Worse yet, you support bullying and name calling.
    =word=for-word spam, that I/others, have refuted, with chapter, and verse, as Ephesians 2:15 KJV, Colossians 2:14 KJV, says no such thing, only your satanic "interpretation" does, as the wicked deceiver changes words in the bible, replacing them with his Pate-ianity words, adds words to the bible, and butchers the meaning of words, in attempts to "prove" that these passages say the holy law of God has been destroyed, made void.


    Pate calls Paul a liar, a false apostle, a deceiver, as Pate asserts that this should not be in the bible...



    Romans 3:31 KJV Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


    ...or revises it to:

    Pate-ianity: Do we then make void the law through faith? yea, we do!!! The law is void.


    You wicked deceiver, and your spamming Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14, 2 Corinthians 3:13, in isolation, satanically "interpreting" them, is from the pits of hell.

    No, satanic shill, when we talk about "nailing it to his cross", that is not the law itself, but the curse of the law, or the penalties for disobeying the existing law. It was the penalty of the broken law which He rendered inoperative, not the law itself.

    In that time period, when a man was charged with a crime, the charges against him were written down on papyrus. If he was found not guilty, the papyrus was then washed down with water, removing or blotting out those charges against him, to confirm his acquittal. This abolished the written charges against the man. This is the what is referred to in "blotting out of ordinances against us" that were nailed to the cross, not the law itself.

    The holy law is still God's standard of righteousness and all the requirements for the broken law remain unchanged, apart from Him.The certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross, not the law.The penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay was nailed--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty.

    No, it does not "plainly say" that God's perfect law was abolished, deceiver, despite your spam, posting verses in isolation, deleting 3/4 of the bible, including, where it "plainly" says:



    Matthew 5:17 KJV Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

    Psalms 111 KJV

    7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure.

    8 They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.

    ....to "prove" his doctrine of demons."

    He corrupts, perverts both Ephesians 2:15 KJV, Colossians 2:14 KJV, to prop up his satanic assertion that the perfect, holy, just, good, not void law of God, which reflects His character, is no longer in existence.


    Thus, Pate, on record, asserts that Christ died in vain, there was no reason to die, as He did not need to die to pay our IOU/sin debt, as all the LORD God had to do, was destroy/abolish/make void/eliminate the law, so there would not be a sin debt/IOU. Thus, he then,like the devil attempts to ...

    He satanically delete "the handwriting of ordinances" of Colossians 2:14 KJV, replacing it with "law/ordinances," thus perverting, corrupting the scriptures, making it look like Paul says that Christ blotted out, made void, the law/ordinances, making it look like Paul is saying that the law/ordinances are contrary/against us, not for our benefit, instead of Paul saying that the sin debt/IOU was blotted out, as that is what is contrary to us, against us, as Paul asserts that the law is perfect, good, holy, just, spiritual, not void, in Romans 11, and the problem is with man, and the sin debt/IOU for breaking a good, holy, spiritual law, not the law itself.



    Pate says the opposite, asserting that the problem is with the law, as it is not prefect/good/holy/spiritual,as he asserts that it causes us to sin, as it is sin, and the problem is not with man/him, and he asserts that the solution is to assert that Christ came to destroy/abolish/blot out the law, not to die for man's breaking the good, holy, spiritual, law of God.


    He keeps satanically spamming this made up slop, that Col. 2:13-14 KJV has God's holy laws in view, being nailed to the cross. I, and others, have corrected you on it, over, and over, and yet you keep asserting this satanic "doctrine." One more time, to protect the sheep/babes, from your lies:

    What was nailed to the cross is described as “the handwriting of requirements"-that was against us, which was contrary to us.” Because “ordinances” sounds like “law,” some, like sloppy Pate, twist the meaning of “nailed it to the cross” into Paul saying the force of the law of God ended at the death of the Lord Jesus Christ.




    The writ of charges...
    In using the words “handwriting of requirements … contrary to us … nailed it to the cross,” Paul was describing the record of our sins, the indictment that required the penalty of death.

    No, the indictments against believers, the charges against believers, the legal indebtedness against believers – was what was dropped, and nailed to the cross at the Lord Jesus Christ's death, rather than the law itself, which is consistently characterized in Scripture as eternal, and good...To wit:


    Romans 7 KJV

    12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

    13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

    14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

    15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

    16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

    “handwriting,”=a memorandum of debt, "a writing by hand" used in public and private contracts.


    The wages of our sins—our debt—is death (Romans 6:23). The Lord Jesus Christ was willing to pay that debt by dying in our place, thus blotting out the record of our debt and pardoning our sins.

    Survey the "death warrant" against us, because of our sin/sins is the sign that Pilate had nailed to the cross upon which the Lord Jesus Christ was crucified. John 19:19-22 KJV-It was customary to publish a writ of charges against the condemned, and the board above the Lord Jesus Christ's head was inscribed with the charges for which the Jewish authorities demanded His death. Thus, it was a Roman custom, to write the name of the condemned person and his crime on a plaque to be placed above his head at the execution. Survey Mark 15:26 KJV-"superscription of his accusation."

    26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, The King Of The Jews.




    The charges removed-the meaning, then, of Colossians 2:13-14 KJV, based upon the immediate and the broader context is: You gentile believers had a death sentence against you due to your sin/sins-here are the charges............... But through the dbr, everything that one time could have been held against you has been removed.

    The law against believers? No, it wasn’t God’s law that was against believers; it was the sins that they committed, as defined by that same holy, good law!. "the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,"= anything written by hand, but can more specifically apply to a legal document, bond or note of debt, was against us!!!!

    Paul is relaying that the LORD God has "wiped out," removed, "nailed to the cross," through the body of Christ , representing mankind's guilt, the instrument for the remembrance of sin. The legal basis of this instrument was the "binding statutes," Col. 2:14 KJV, but what the LORD God destroyed on the cross was not the legal ground, the law, for our entanglement into sin, but the written record of our sins. By destroying the record of sins, the LORD God removed the possibility of a charge ever being made again against those who have been forgiven-a dead man is not under jurisdiction to the law.

    " Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,"


    The above-a handwritten acknowledgement or note of debt, something like an I.O.U. When the debt was paid in full, the handwriting was invalidated by piercing it with something sharp like a nail.

    This "handwriting" was also used in the case of the crucifixion or punishment of a criminal. All the charges of which the person had been found guilty, were written on a piece of parchment, and nailed to the cross on which the person convicted of those crimes would be crucified. Everyone could then see why he was hanging there and what he had done to deserve such a cruel punishment.This written indictment/charge/accusation are seen in John 19:19-20: accusations that were hung on the cross, on which the Lord Jesus Christ hung:

    19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was Jesus Of Nazareth The King Of The Jews.

    20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.

    The "accusing witness," so to speak, against the sinner, the record book of his sins, the certificate of debt, or book of debt, was removed/nailed. The Lord Jesus Christ has "erased" it, removed it out of the court, out of the witness chair of the accuser. Not only is this record of our sins removed, but it is also "nailed to the cross" in the sense that the Lord Jesus Christ took our sins upon himself, and paid the penalty for them...Survey 2 Cor. 5:21 KJV.


    When we talk about "nailing it to his cross", that is not the law itself, but the curse of the law, or the penalties for disobeying the Law. It was the penalty of the broken law which He rendered inoperative, not the law itself.

    In that time period when a man was charged with a crime the charges against him were written down on papyrus. If he was found not guilty the papyrus was then washed down with water, removing or blotting out those charges against him, to confirm his acquittal. This abolished the written charges against the man. This is the what is referred to in "blotting out of ordinances against us" that were nailed to the Stake, not the Law itself.

    The law is still God's standard of righteousness and all the requirements for the broken law remain unchanged, apart from Him.



    Again-the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty.


    The certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross.



    Moreover, pardoning someone for committing a capital crime, doesn’t do away with the law that was broken. If anything, it shows that the law carries force, for without the pardon, the criminal would die!

    In the same way, the law of God carries force since breaking it (committing sin) requires the death penalty. The law is that powerful, that important. It is holy. People aren’t saved from that which was against them (the death penalty) by doing away with the law. What saves people from death is the death of the Lord Jesus Christ in the place of those who trust 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.

    In fact, the wording Paul employed Colossians 2:13-14 showed that the law of God continues to carry great force. By saying the penalty demanded under the law of God was nailed to the instrument that killed the Lord Jesus Christ, Paul was showing that the law of God was still in force, still requiring death for sin.

    By contrast, if the law had been brought to an abrupt end by the death of the Lord Jesus Christ, from that point on, nothing would be “against the law”-duh! Nothing could be called “sin.” Of course, we know that is not true. Sin exists, which means the law that calls it “sin” also exists!

    The Lord Jesus Christ nailed to the cross what was contrary to him...

    Ephesians 2:15 KJV "the law of commandments contained in ordinances;"
    Colossians 2:14 KJV "the handwriting of ordinances"
    Hebrews 7:16 KJV "the law of a carnal commandment"
    Hebrews 9:10 KJV "carnal ordinances;"

    What the Lord Jesus Christ abolished was carnal/fleshly commandments and ordinances, and hand written ordinances=that is the context..= the decrees of exclusion established by men, which were rooted in enmity between Jew & Gentile,such as “touch not, taste not, handle not”(survey Colossians 2:21 KJV), man-made social class/caste system set in place by Oral Torah, and Jewish leaders, attempting to keep a social and religious difference between Jews and Gentiles. Ordinances/decrees were laws that were man-made. Paul was referring to man-made orders, in this verse through the term “ordinance”. These “ordinances” were, yes, indeed hostile/”hate”/”enmity”, as they restrained anyone other than “Jews” worshiping God. These ordinances made a clear separation between Jew and Gentile, by elevating one above the other, to an “elite status,” to the extent where gentiles were looked down upon, scorned, and disassociated, by Jews everywhere………..


    And I already picked apart your 2 Corinthians 3:13 satanic interpretation, at length, and you had nothing to say, as your daddy devil told you to hush.

    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...John-3-7/page9

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    No one can claim they are born again. It is Jesus who judges whether we are born again or not. doing otherwise is only arrogance.

    It is the same as "I am saved" claim.

    And I know Robert is doing the same thing too. pot and kettle argument. "self assurance" is one of the corrupt doctrines.

    Just my two cents.
    Your two cents is what your opinion might be worth....to someone somewhere, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    =word=for-word spam, that I/others, have refuted, with chapter, and verse, as Ephesians 2:15 KJV, Colossians 2:14 KJV, says no such thing, only your satanic "interpretation" does, as the wicked deceiver changes words in the bible, replacing them with his Pate-ianity words, adds words to the bible, and butchers the meaning of words, in attempts to "prove" that these passages say the holy law of God has been destroyed, made void.


    Pate calls Paul a liar, a false apostle, a deceiver, as Pate asserts that this should not be in the bible...



    Romans 3:31 KJV Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


    ...or revises it to:

    Pate-ianity: Do we then make void the law through faith? yea, we do!!! The law is void.


    You wicked deceiver, and your spamming Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14, 2 Corinthians 3:13, in isolation, satanically "interpreting" them, is from the pits of hell.

    No, satanic shill, when we talk about "nailing it to his cross", that is not the law itself, but the curse of the law, or the penalties for disobeying the existing law. It was the penalty of the broken law which He rendered inoperative, not the law itself.

    In that time period, when a man was charged with a crime, the charges against him were written down on papyrus. If he was found not guilty, the papyrus was then washed down with water, removing or blotting out those charges against him, to confirm his acquittal. This abolished the written charges against the man. This is the what is referred to in "blotting out of ordinances against us" that were nailed to the cross, not the law itself.

    The holy law is still God's standard of righteousness and all the requirements for the broken law remain unchanged, apart from Him.The certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross, not the law.The penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay was nailed--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty.

    No, it does not "plainly say" that God's perfect law was abolished, deceiver, despite your spam, posting verses in isolation, deleting 3/4 of the bible, including, where it "plainly" says:



    Matthew 5:17 KJV Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

    Psalms 111 KJV

    7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure.

    8 They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.

    ....to "prove" his doctrine of demons."

    He corrupts, perverts both Ephesians 2:15 KJV, Colossians 2:14 KJV, to prop up his satanic assertion that the perfect, holy, just, good, not void law of God, which reflects His character, is no longer in existence.


    Thus, Pate, on record, asserts that Christ died in vain, there was no reason to die, as He did not need to die to pay our IOU/sin debt, as all the LORD God had to do, was destroy/abolish/make void/eliminate the law, so there would not be a sin debt/IOU. Thus, he then,like the devil attempts to ...

    He satanically delete "the handwriting of ordinances" of Colossians 2:14 KJV, replacing it with "law/ordinances," thus perverting, corrupting the scriptures, making it look like Paul says that Christ blotted out, made void, the law/ordinances, making it look like Paul is saying that the law/ordinances are contrary/against us, not for our benefit, instead of Paul saying that the sin debt/IOU was blotted out, as that is what is contrary to us, against us, as Paul asserts that the law is perfect, good, holy, just, spiritual, not void, in Romans 11, and the problem is with man, and the sin debt/IOU for breaking a good, holy, spiritual law, not the law itself.



    Pate says the opposite, asserting that the problem is with the law, as it is not prefect/good/holy/spiritual,as he asserts that it causes us to sin, as it is sin, and the problem is not with man/him, and he asserts that the solution is to assert that Christ came to destroy/abolish/blot out the law, not to die for man's breaking the good, holy, spiritual, law of God.


    He keeps satanically spamming this made up slop, that Col. 2:13-14 KJV has God's holy laws in view, being nailed to the cross. I, and others, have corrected you on it, over, and over, and yet you keep asserting this satanic "doctrine." One more time, to protect the sheep/babes, from your lies:

    What was nailed to the cross is described as “the handwriting of requirements"-that was against us, which was contrary to us.” Because “ordinances” sounds like “law,” some, like sloppy Pate, twist the meaning of “nailed it to the cross” into Paul saying the force of the law of God ended at the death of the Lord Jesus Christ.




    The writ of charges...
    In using the words “handwriting of requirements … contrary to us … nailed it to the cross,” Paul was describing the record of our sins, the indictment that required the penalty of death.

    No, the indictments against believers, the charges against believers, the legal indebtedness against believers – was what was dropped, and nailed to the cross at the Lord Jesus Christ's death, rather than the law itself, which is consistently characterized in Scripture as eternal, and good...To wit:


    Romans 7 KJV

    12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

    13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

    14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

    15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

    16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

    “handwriting,”=a memorandum of debt, "a writing by hand" used in public and private contracts.


    The wages of our sins—our debt—is death (Romans 6:23). The Lord Jesus Christ was willing to pay that debt by dying in our place, thus blotting out the record of our debt and pardoning our sins.

    Survey the "death warrant" against us, because of our sin/sins is the sign that Pilate had nailed to the cross upon which the Lord Jesus Christ was crucified. John 19:19-22 KJV-It was customary to publish a writ of charges against the condemned, and the board above the Lord Jesus Christ's head was inscribed with the charges for which the Jewish authorities demanded His death. Thus, it was a Roman custom, to write the name of the condemned person and his crime on a plaque to be placed above his head at the execution. Survey Mark 15:26 KJV-"superscription of his accusation."

    26 And the superscription of his accusation was written over, The King Of The Jews.




    The charges removed-the meaning, then, of Colossians 2:13-14 KJV, based upon the immediate and the broader context is: You gentile believers had a death sentence against you due to your sin/sins-here are the charges............... But through the dbr, everything that one time could have been held against you has been removed.

    The law against believers? No, it wasn’t God’s law that was against believers; it was the sins that they committed, as defined by that same holy, good law!. "the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,"= anything written by hand, but can more specifically apply to a legal document, bond or note of debt, was against us!!!!

    Paul is relaying that the LORD God has "wiped out," removed, "nailed to the cross," through the body of Christ , representing mankind's guilt, the instrument for the remembrance of sin. The legal basis of this instrument was the "binding statutes," Col. 2:14 KJV, but what the LORD God destroyed on the cross was not the legal ground, the law, for our entanglement into sin, but the written record of our sins. By destroying the record of sins, the LORD God removed the possibility of a charge ever being made again against those who have been forgiven-a dead man is not under jurisdiction to the law.

    " Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,"


    The above-a handwritten acknowledgement or note of debt, something like an I.O.U. When the debt was paid in full, the handwriting was invalidated by piercing it with something sharp like a nail.

    This "handwriting" was also used in the case of the crucifixion or punishment of a criminal. All the charges of which the person had been found guilty, were written on a piece of parchment, and nailed to the cross on which the person convicted of those crimes would be crucified. Everyone could then see why he was hanging there and what he had done to deserve such a cruel punishment.This written indictment/charge/accusation are seen in John 19:19-20: accusations that were hung on the cross, on which the Lord Jesus Christ hung:

    19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was Jesus Of Nazareth The King Of The Jews.

    20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.

    The "accusing witness," so to speak, against the sinner, the record book of his sins, the certificate of debt, or book of debt, was removed/nailed. The Lord Jesus Christ has "erased" it, removed it out of the court, out of the witness chair of the accuser. Not only is this record of our sins removed, but it is also "nailed to the cross" in the sense that the Lord Jesus Christ took our sins upon himself, and paid the penalty for them...Survey 2 Cor. 5:21 KJV.


    When we talk about "nailing it to his cross", that is not the law itself, but the curse of the law, or the penalties for disobeying the Law. It was the penalty of the broken law which He rendered inoperative, not the law itself.

    In that time period when a man was charged with a crime the charges against him were written down on papyrus. If he was found not guilty the papyrus was then washed down with water, removing or blotting out those charges against him, to confirm his acquittal. This abolished the written charges against the man. This is the what is referred to in "blotting out of ordinances against us" that were nailed to the Stake, not the Law itself.

    The law is still God's standard of righteousness and all the requirements for the broken law remain unchanged, apart from Him.



    Again-the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty.


    The certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross.



    Moreover, pardoning someone for committing a capital crime, doesn’t do away with the law that was broken. If anything, it shows that the law carries force, for without the pardon, the criminal would die!

    In the same way, the law of God carries force since breaking it (committing sin) requires the death penalty. The law is that powerful, that important. It is holy. People aren’t saved from that which was against them (the death penalty) by doing away with the law. What saves people from death is the death of the Lord Jesus Christ in the place of those who trust 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.

    In fact, the wording Paul employed Colossians 2:13-14 showed that the law of God continues to carry great force. By saying the penalty demanded under the law of God was nailed to the instrument that killed the Lord Jesus Christ, Paul was showing that the law of God was still in force, still requiring death for sin.

    By contrast, if the law had been brought to an abrupt end by the death of the Lord Jesus Christ, from that point on, nothing would be “against the law”-duh! Nothing could be called “sin.” Of course, we know that is not true. Sin exists, which means the law that calls it “sin” also exists!

    The Lord Jesus Christ nailed to the cross what was contrary to him...

    Ephesians 2:15 KJV "the law of commandments contained in ordinances;"
    Colossians 2:14 KJV "the handwriting of ordinances"
    Hebrews 7:16 KJV "the law of a carnal commandment"
    Hebrews 9:10 KJV "carnal ordinances;"

    What the Lord Jesus Christ abolished was carnal/fleshly commandments and ordinances, and hand written ordinances=that is the context..= the decrees of exclusion established by men, which were rooted in enmity between Jew & Gentile,such as “touch not, taste not, handle not”(survey Colossians 2:21 KJV), man-made social class/caste system set in place by Oral Torah, and Jewish leaders, attempting to keep a social and religious difference between Jews and Gentiles. Ordinances/decrees were laws that were man-made. Paul was referring to man-made orders, in this verse through the term “ordinance”. These “ordinances” were, yes, indeed hostile/”hate”/”enmity”, as they restrained anyone other than “Jews” worshiping God. These ordinances made a clear separation between Jew and Gentile, by elevating one above the other, to an “elite status,” to the extent where gentiles were looked down upon, scorned, and disassociated, by Jews everywhere………..


    And I already picked apart your 2 Corinthians 3:13 satanic interpretation, at length, and you had nothing to say, as your daddy devil told you to hush.

    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...John-3-7/page9

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    Once again you expose the fact that you cannot accept truth. If the law has not been abolished for Christians then why did Paul say that the law is not made for the righteous man? 1 Timothy 1:9. If the law is not for the righteous man then who is it made for? You can't answer because you have no spiritual understanding. You are as spiritually dead as a rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Once again you expose the fact that you cannot accept truth. If the law has not been abolished for Christians then why did Paul say that the law is not made for the righteous man?
    No more of your deceptive, devious debating ploys, Pate, which you spam to every TOL member.

    You are to address every verse I quoted, as I/others, have addressed your 1 Timothy 1:9 KJV continual spam, addressed it, over, and over, but your daddy devil keeps urging you on to spam.



    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    You can't answer because you have no spiritual understanding. You are as spiritually dead as a rock.
    No, I/others have addressed it, over, and over, you vile, habitual liar.


    Tell all of TOL, devil child Pate, why you delete these:


    Matthew 5:17 KJV Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

    Psalms 111 KJV

    7 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure.

    8 They stand fast for ever and ever
    , and are done in truth and uprightness.



    Romans 3:31 KJV Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.



    Silence, for over 2 years, from this satanist.
    Saint John W

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    I am not through with this Forum just yet. I still have a few things to say to the many Gospel hating, religious reprobates on this Forum that are hell bound.

    WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE BORN AGAIN?

    Jesus said, "That which is born of flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit. Marvel not that I said unto you, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN" John 3:6,7.

    Only about 10% of professing Christians have been born again. There are multitudes of professing believers that are as spiritually dead as a rock. They cannot receive the truth of God's word. No one can hear and believe the Gospel without the indwelling Holy Spirit, who is the teacher of truth, John 14:17. They hear, but they cannot believe.

    Paul wrote, "For unto us was the Gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it" Hebrews 4:2.

    They heard the Gospel, but they didn't believe the Gospel. We are saved and born again by hearing and believing the Gospel, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO BE SAVED, There are many counterfeits that have gone forward in church services or have said the sinners prayer, but don't believe or understand the Gospel, Galatians 3:2. Yet they profess to be Christians.

    You must be born again by the word of God, which is the Gospel, 1 Peter 1:23. If the Gospel is not meaningful to you, chances are you have not been born again. To those that have been born again the Gospel of Jesus Christ is everything to them. They are resting in what Christ has accomplished for them, They have entered into HIS rest, Hebrews 4:10.
    No, no, I don’t want be born again. It’s enough with one single life. Is it a bad joke to be born.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    I am not through with this Forum just yet.


    awwww


    and we were all hoping

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    You and John W. need the law because you act like you are heathen. Here is the commandment.

    "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you and pray for them which dispitefully use you and persecute you" Matthew 5:44.
    So which is it then?

    “The law is abolished” or “here is the commandment”...

    Or the old classic way to avoid the Sabbath and apparently favorite one around here...”it doesn't apply to me”

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    So which is it then?

    “The law is abolished” or “here is the commandment”...

    Or the old classic way to avoid the Sabbath and apparently favorite one around here...”it doesn't apply to me”
    I don't believe John W is sabbath keeper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    I don't believe John W is sabbath keeper.
    Yes...I imagine rest is even quite low on his list of things that don’t apply to him...

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