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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    And how will our government enforce the law ? How will they stop women who can afford it from flying off to Europe for safe ,legal abortions ? Or going to Canada or Mexico ? Will they put government agents at all US airpots and all over the borders with Canada and Mexico to examine every woman and girl of childbearing age for pregnancy ?
    Will our government appoint a task force of anti-abortion agents to scour every corner of the 50 states 24/7 to make sure no abortions are being performed ? How much would this cost ? And would it be effective ? NO !!!!
    Will our government take it mandatory for every young girl once she becomes old enough to get pregnant under surveillance 24/7 just to make sure she's not pregnant and seeking an abortion ? And all women of marriageable age ?
    This sounds like a scenario out of Orwell's 1984 . It's also totally unrealistic .
    Interestingly, I read an article the other day about an international organization that provides abortion drugs to women in Islamic Countries and other countries where abortion is banned. They operate over the Internet and through a series of different mailing sources to send the medications undetected to the recipient. They even have services available to cover costs for those who can't afford it. They are currently gearing up their infrastructure to cover the US if needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    I know. But any time you can chip away at the evil root, its better than nothing.
    Do not do evil that good may come.

    Do not murder.

    Life for life.

    Pruning a weed doesn't help get rid of the weed. The abortion weed needs to be pulled out by its roots and burned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Do not do evil that good may come........
    Huh?
    How is passing this law doing evil so that good may come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    Huh?
    How is passing this law doing evil so that good may come.
    Don't regulate something that should be outright prohibited, as regulating a crime inherently affirms the action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Don't regulate something that should be outright prohibited, as regulating a crime inherently affirms the action.
    Your solution is to just let them run wild and throw full babies into trash cans? No thanks.

    There is a method that the pro-life movements is using to ultimately get rid of abortion. Its the long game. Your suggestion is short sighted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    Your solution is to just let them
    Who is "them"?

    run wild and throw full babies into trash cans? No thanks.
    Straw man.

    There is a method that the pro-life movements is using to ultimately get rid of abortion. Its the long game.
    The "long game" has not saved a single baby's life.

    The "long game" does not prevent a single abortion from occurring, just moves the age range of the babies killed lower.

    It's immoral.

    Your suggestion is short sighted.
    From http://americanrtl.org/strategy:


    For a quarter century, National RTL and others have dictated a strategy of child-killing regulations (wait, consent, notify, PBA to the navel, "and then you can kill the baby"). As unintended consequences, NRTL's immoral strategy:

    • convinces would-be pro-life judges to reject the God-given right to life in the belief that they have the authority to regulate the killing of the innocent;
    • provides campaign cover for pro-abortion Republican and Democrat politicians who support the latest regulation;
    • prunes the abortion weed and strengthens its root by making it appear more humane;
    • denies inalienable rights from our Creator by promoting moral relativism and legal positivism;
    • will keep abortion legal if Roe is ever merely overturned and (tragically but possibly) simply returned to the states, when abortionists kill millions of children by the authority of our own "pro-life" laws, while pro-lifers work for years or even decades to overturn the misguided and immoral child-killing regulations that Jay Sekulow, Clarke Forsythe's AUL, and NRTL worked to put on the law books;
    • may keep abortion legal for a century longer than would a principled fight over personhood;
    • and worst of all, the NRTL strategy violates God's command Do not murder with laws that end with, "and then you can kill the baby."

    Spoiler
    ARTL provides new leadership and a renewed vision, but with the same old principles of: honor God, and enforce His enduring command, Do not murder!

    ARTL Three-fold Strategy

    1. Criminalize: recriminalize the intentional killing of the unborn and other innocents through state and national personhood efforts.

    2. Demoralize: create unbearable social tension and ensure that there is no child killing with tranquility in order to coerce the government to correct the injustice of shedding innocent blood.

    3. Evangelize: persuade individuals by education and evangelism to honor the God-given right to life.

    Tactics

    1. Criminalize: lobby, campaign, run, litigate, spoil, legislate, but never in violation of God's enduring command, Do not murder, which means never supporting any law that ends with, "and then you can kill the baby," nor any leader or judge who would allow the intentional killing of a single innocent person. We expect that the crime against humanity committed by the U.S. Supreme Court with their Roe v. Wade opinion will never be overturned by the court itself. (The court had never overturned, nor has it ever repudiated, its own wicked Dred Scott opinion (see AmericanRTL.org/dred). However, human rights movements have a way of making bureacrats irrelevant, and like with the world's repudiation of slavery more than a century ago, so too, we must increase the social tension over child killing sufficiently to make a Justice's opinion irrelevant.

    2. Demoralize: social unrest and protest at abortion mills, at the homes and businesses of collaborators, at judges homes, at government facilities; peaceful civil disobedience wherever child-killing is tolerated or abetted, from ministries to media outlets; etc., ensuring that there will be no child killing with tranquility by making everyone miserable over the de-criminalization of abortion, and especially churchgoers, 'conservatives,' 'Republicans,' and 'pro-life' leaders, many of whom would otherwise comfortably co-exist with Planned Parenthood for another forty years. Be intolerant of child killing until even a judge who does not fear God nor regard man might rule justly (Luke 18:1-6). (See ARTL's 12-Year Timeframe.)

    3. Evangelize: perform sidewalk counseling, operate alternative pregnancy centers, homeschool, provide Christian education, teach Sunday school, preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, teach the proper relationship between Church and State. On the latter, God has authorized Church and State differently; there is a separation of Church and State. The Church does not convict criminals, etc., and the ministry of the State does not confer salvation. But all governments at every level are obligated to honor God's enduring command, Do not murder, or else, often under the guise of "following the law," they have become lawless.

    The personhood wing of the pro-life movement is on the advance, and the child-killing regulators are on the defensive. As we press that momentum, at the same time, we will be educating everyone, unbelievers, Christians, governing officials, and ministry leaders, about the primacy of the God-given right to life, and the inherent failure, egotism, and immorality of negotiating that right away for some supposed benefit.

    The pro-life "movement" so far has actually been backward. Annually: no step forward, one step back. Our first goal as leaders is to stop the backsliding of as much of the movement as will respond. Toward that goal, three recommendations conclude the Focus on the Strategy II DVD to teach pro-lifers what it means to be pro-life, and to first enable them to walk, and then to run:

    FIGHT AGAINST MURDER! Show our pro-life leaders what they should do. Call for judges and leaders who fear God and will protect the innocent, and honor His enduring command, Do not murder.

    FOCUS ON THE STRATEGY: Oppose any legal positivist ruling or campaign that violates the standard Dr. James Dobson rightly proclaimed when he said that, "for the rest of my life, however long God lets me live on this earth, I will never cast one vote for any man or woman who would kill one innocent baby." Never support any law that ends with, "and then you can kill the baby."

    ...

    In this way we can reverse our decline and begin to move forward. Effective pro-lifers oppose child-killing and teach the God-given right to life:

    • at the abortion clinic
    • in our families
    • in our church
    • with our friends and associates
    • in schools, including by urging parents to get kids out of pro-abortion education systems
    • through the media
    • online
    • around the world, and
    • in American politics.

    We fight on all fronts in the war, and each will save lives, but only when we outlaw abortion, will we have the final victory. Insightful leaders in Colorado, Michigan, Georgia and elsewhere are fighting for personhood. As we fight this personhood battle, we will not be undermining the truth, but spreading the word. We will do this in every sphere of our communications. The difference between personhood fights and promoting regulations is that personhood battles reinforce a culture that honors the Creator God, instead of debating whether to wait 24 or 48 hours before killing a child. We teach others that our rights come from God who made man in His likeness, and neither government nor individuals have the right to intentionally shed innocent blood.

    Politically, American Right To Life will promote personhood, at the state and federal level, and oppose organizations and candidates who support child-killing regulations. Of course, our wicked courts and leaders will find ways even to get around ratified personhood amendments, and that will require additional political effort. The personhood wing of the pro-life movement, at American RTL and elsewhere, is the only source of leadership equipped to fight through to victory.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    Let's face it ; there is only one way to prevent abortions - preventing unwanted pregnancies in the first place .
    i have an easy and simple way to prevent unwanted pregnancies, one that worked well for thousands and thousands of years

    would you like to hear it?

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    This is wonderful news, Certainly a leap in the direction.

    Nearly 20.000 little babies have been murdered and tortured in partial birth abortion.

    Statics show that 6% of all abortions are performed between 14–20 weeks, and 2% - at a later stage. This is around 20,000 little innocent babies that are murdered and tortured in physical pain each and every single year. I HAVE A CONSCIENCE. !

    and torture and murder and causing pain and taking the life of a precious, innocent little beautiful child at 14–20 weeks is n o t something that makes me happy or something that I feel is the same tradeoff or value as a 30 minute romp between the sheets for an sexual climax .

    Thank You Mr President Donald Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    10 States Now Ban Dismemberment Abortions Tearing Babies Limb From Limb
    https://www.lifenews.com/2018/12/26/...imb-from-limb/

    Five days before the Christmas celebration, Ohio Gov. John Kasich signed the Dismemberment Abortion Ban (S.B. 145) into law. S.B. 145 will go into effect in March 2019.The governor’s signature last Thursday raised to ten the number of states that ban a particularly hideous abortion technique.

    “Ohio’s pro-life Legislature has taken a courageous stance today,” said Mike Gonidakis, president of Ohio Right to Life. “No longer will the barbaric abortion procedure of ripping a living child limb from limb be tolerated in Ohio. This practice is horrific and with today’s vote Ohioans through their elected representatives have saved countless unborn babies from this torture.”
    ......


    ME: What sort of filthy barbarian would actually be against such a ban. Oh yah, a Liberal, that's what kind. We have such people right herein this forum. Horrible
    I am against all forms of abortion, not just this one.
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    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    The atheist’s case against abortion: respect for human rights
    https://www.americamagazine.org/poli...t-human-rights

    I am an atheist, a 29-year-old woman, well-educated at secular institutions, and I lean liberal on many issues, including same-sex marriage and climate change.

    I am also a dedicated pro-life activist, working to make abortion unthinkable.

    The abortion industry would have you believe that people like me do not exist. They would have you believe that the pro-life movement is almost exclusively old white men, with a few pearl-clutching church ladies thrown in. This characterization is insulting to both young and old. The older pro-life leaders of today are the pioneering young adult activists of the 1970s, who courageously dissented from Roe v. Wade. And they have recruited new generations of pro-lifers to follow in their footsteps; millennials in the movement call ourselves the “pro-life generation.”
    And the subject is, abortion. Calling sin sin.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
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    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Is it the responsibility for the taxpayer to fund the sexual pleasures, sexual adventures, sexual journeys, raptures and joys and delights of another sexually irresponsible person. Why should the taxpayer not have the right to ask that another tax recipient, save their own money or either wait to have sex or have just please have responsible sex. We did not open our bank accounts for the funding of others to have sexual gratifications. We do not have an honest true stastic on how much taxpayers are forced to give and this is only because abortions providers are not required to report the number of abortions performed. Also $28 million in just one year, for abortions in Califorina was paid at taxpayers cost. I could quote an overall yearly average, but another stastic could be easily be just as valid to another individual.

    Donald Trump has recently signed an executive order in the Oval Office of the White House - to reinstate the Mexico City abortion rules which was rescinded by former President Barack Obama nine years ago.

    Who was paying these Mexico Abortion Costs under Oboma and Bill Clinton for 16 + years of their combined presidency ? _ The policy that American TAXPAYERS DO NOT FUND ABORTIONS FOR MEXICO - stayed in effect until 1993, when it was rescinded by former President Bill Clinton.
    Since then, it has been reinstated by every Republican president and rescinded by every Democratic president within their first few days in office. Obama rescinded it NINE years ago, on Jan. 23, 2009.

    The Liberal Socialist Democrat Policy taking American Taxpayers hard earned savings and monies - and giving it to Mexico to fund their Roman Catholic Government to have abortions is what they wish to acheive because this simply means more money that they can funnel through their hands. ... On January 22, 2001, President George W. Bush reinstated the policy by executive order, stating, "It is my conviction that taxpayer funds should not be used to pay for abortions or advocate or actively promote abortion, either here or abroad. Just here in America - I see that Taxpayer money goes to Planned Parenthood -- from Title X funding for low-income or uninsured people; these services include birth control and STD testing. Planned Parenthood receives $50 million to $60 million in Title X funds. More than 4 million people receive health care services at its centers through Title X - each year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    Let's face it ; there is only one way to prevent abortions - preventing unwanted pregnancies in the first place .
    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    i have an easy and simple way to prevent unwanted pregnancies, one that worked well for thousands and thousands of years

    would you like to hear it?

    any time you're interested, horn

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    any time you're interested, horn
    He don't wanna hear it because it's too logical.

    Horn

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    And now we have the abomination in New York:
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/tw...r-vile-abortio

    and this in Virginia:


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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    10 States Now Ban Dismemberment Abortions Tearing Babies Limb From Limb
    https://www.lifenews.com/2018/12/26/...imb-from-limb/

    Five days before the Christmas celebration, Ohio Gov. John Kasich signed the Dismemberment Abortion Ban (S.B. 145) into law. S.B. 145 will go into effect in March 2019.The governor’s signature last Thursday raised to ten the number of states that ban a particularly hideous abortion technique.

    “Ohio’s pro-life Legislature has taken a courageous stance today,” said Mike Gonidakis, president of Ohio Right to Life. “No longer will the barbaric abortion procedure of ripping a living child limb from limb be tolerated in Ohio. This practice is horrific and with today’s vote Ohioans through their elected representatives have saved countless unborn babies from this torture.”
    ......


    ME: What sort of filthy barbarian would actually be against such a ban. Oh yah, a Liberal, that's what kind. We have such people right herein this forum. Horrible
    This headline is flat-out false from what I can find. The Ohio law for example still allows childkilling by D&E.
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