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    Quote Originally Posted by woodeneye View Post
    Personal observations and experiences are not evidence of research. They are subjective, not objective. When gathering information on a particular subject, extensive investigation is required to call it research. Jehovah's Witnesses have always applied extensive investigation into the original writings of the scriptures. Many other religions have decided that researching a previous version of the Bible was sufficient enough to learn all they need to know to make themselves feel better about their beliefs.


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    Anyone can decide to or not learn what the Bible says by studying with Jehovah's Witnesses. No one is forced to believe anything they don't want to. We reason with people, just like Jesus did. If that doesn't work for you, that's alright with us. We simply supply the information, you supply the desire to want to know more, or keep the status quo and deal with the consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodeneye View Post
    Anyone can decide to or not learn what the Bible says by studying with Jehovah's Witnesses. No one is forced to believe anything they don't want to. We reason with people, just like Jesus did. If that doesn't work for you, that's alright with us. We simply supply the information, you supply the desire to want to know more, or keep the status quo and deal with the consequences.

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    Any response? Care to "reason" it out with me?

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    JW is a cult. Here is your "proof":

    It denies that Christ is God the Son come in the flesh.

    It accepts writings of men as being on the same level of authority or higher than the Bible.

    It officially issues false prophecies, an example of which is that the author of "Harp of God," 'Judge Rutherford,' wrongly claimed in the 1921 text that "millions now living will never die..."

    That's three witnesses, more than enough to condemn, with the Bible's standard of "two or three witnesses," Jehovah's Witnesses as a cult.
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    Try doing it without your iPad that they give you nowadays.

    Go buy a New King James Bible at a nearby store and read through it.

    Or do they prohibit that?
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    The BIBLE also says that Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN of the Father.

    If ONLY the Father is God, then that means that the Bible is lying, because ADAM is ALSO begotten of the Father, as GOD (according to you, the Father) created Adam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Oh, I research the Bible. I just refuse to research your Bible for you.
    That's awesome, since I refuse to do research for someone who cannot appreciate that research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    I know what it says it is your unorthodox \ spurious spin on it that makes JW's a cult


    JW cult already did
    The New World Translation

    John 1:1
    (NWT) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was a god


    John 1:1
    (ERV) Before the world began, the Word was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    (ESV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    Don't forget...

    εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodeneye View Post
    That's awesome, since I refuse to do research for someone who cannot appreciate that research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodeneye View Post
    The BIBLE says that Jesus was the first born creation of God, Col.1:15. In the KJV this reads: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature. Firstborn literally means the person born first to his/her parents. Jesus was the first personage born of his Father. If this still bothers you, you might want to author your own version of the Bible, so you can edit out anything you don't agree with.

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    No, it doesn't say that. A little slip here and a little slip there. That is exactly what the serpent did in the garden.

    Col. 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

    You choose one use of the word "firstborn" ignoring the entire text which refutes what you claim. Firstborn also means preeminence, which is it's meaning here as shown from the text in which it's placed.


    synonyms: superiority, supremacy, greatness, excellence, distinction, prominence, predominance, eminence, importance, prestige, stature, fame, renown, celebrity



    You will find it used so in scripture. If you need help finding where...just ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodeneye View Post
    Anyone can decide to or not learn what the Bible says by studying with Jehovah's Witnesses. No one is forced to believe anything they don't want to. We reason with people, just like Jesus did. If that doesn't work for you, that's alright with us. We simply supply the information, you supply the desire to want to know more, or keep the status quo and deal with the consequences.

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    Our desire is to preach the Gospel to you....which demands you believe Jesus Christ is LORD.

    We will do so as long as you remain among us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Aw come on, JR. Don't you want to research the Jim Jones cult or the Hare Krishna'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodeneye View Post
    That's awesome, since I refuse to do research for someone who cannot appreciate that research.
    Great. Let's research this verse.

    Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Any response? Care to "reason" it out with me?
    Look up what begotten means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    No, it doesn't say that. A little slip here and a little slip there. That is exactly what the serpent did in the garden.

    Col. 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

    You choose one use of the word "firstborn" ignoring the entire text which refutes what you claim. Firstborn also means preeminence, which is it's meaning here as shown from the text in which it's placed.


    synonyms:superiority, supremacy, greatness, excellence, distinction, prominence, predominance, eminence, importance, prestige, stature, fame, renown, celebrity



    You will find it used so in scripture. If you need help finding where...just ask.
    Just what does the firstborn of all creation mean to you? To anyone who takes the time to reason on it, it means Jesus was born first before any other creation. Someone who is/was born has parents, or in the case of Jesus, a parent, his Father. God did not create himself, he created his Son. They, in turn, created everything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    No, it doesn't say that. A little slip here and a little slip there. That is exactly what the serpent did in the garden.

    Col. 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

    You choose one use of the word "firstborn" ignoring the entire text which refutes what you claim. Firstborn also means preeminence, which is it's meaning here as shown from the text in which it's placed.


    synonyms:superiority, supremacy, greatness, excellence, distinction, prominence, predominance, eminence, importance, prestige, stature, fame, renown, celebrity



    You will find it used so in scripture. If you need help finding where...just ask.
    It says exactly that, word for word. Whether you choose to accept it or not is your choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodeneye View Post
    Look up what begotten means.

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    Come on, now, there was more to my THREE posts than you responded to.

    Care to respond to the rest of my posts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Interesting. I may talk to a JW sometime, but not to support them. What we all need is truth.
    Truth is what we have to give. The fact that we use the Bible as our main source, makes it so..We don't have traditions that we rely on, just the Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Because I care about you, I recommend you stay far away from the JWs.
    If you really cared you would suggest that Jacob depend only on the Bible, just like Jehovah's Witnesses do.

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