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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    I'm sorry. If you don't have the time to explain your position using words, I don't have the time to figure out your cryptic answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodeneye View Post
    I'm sorry. If you don't have the time to explain your position using words, I don't have the time to figure out your cryptic answers.

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    Why are you answering for dcon? (sigh, so many usernames, so little memory).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    What if life isn't about taking authority? Just a question.
    It isn't, IMHO... it's about being obedient to God. He directed us to pray for those IN authority.

    1 Timothy 2:1-4

    I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; for kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
    No Bueno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Why are you answering for dcon? (sigh, so many usernames, so little memory).

    https://biblehub.com/commentaries/deuteronomy/1-13.htm
    I have no idea. Both are correct, but shouldn't show up on the same site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    It isn't, IMHO... it's about being obedient to God. He directed us to pray for those IN authority.

    1 Timothy 2:1-4

    I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; for kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
    It doesn't mean that any of us are in authority, right?
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    It isn't, IMHO... it's about being obedient to God. He directed us to pray for those IN authority.

    1 Timothy 2:1-4

    I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; for kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
    Praying for those in authority benefits Christian's because in some countries certain Christian organizations are under ban simply for preaching about God and his Kingdom. We pray that God might soften their hearts to allow believers to exercise their beliefs, and to assemble peacefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    It doesn't mean that any of us are in authority, right?
    Neither does it mean that we aren't. What's your point? Do you believe that Christians should be doormats? We should set the standard for the world to follow. We don't want war, don't seek war; but when a war is necessary, we win. It isn't God's Nature to take sides, but He does see to it that the desires of evil men are thwarted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodeneye View Post
    Praying for those in authority benefits Christian's because in some countries certain Christian organizations are under ban simply for preaching about God and his Kingdom. We pray that God might soften their hearts to allow believers to exercise their beliefs, and to assemble peacefully.
    Amen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    Neither does it mean that we aren't. What's your point? Do you believe that Christians should be doormats? We should set the standard for the world to follow. We don't want war, don't seek war; but when a war is necessary, we win. It isn't God's Nature to take sides, but He does see to it that the desires of evil men are thwarted.
    I don't want to be seen as a push over. I just don't think my "rights" matter as much as obedience to God. God values me even if others don't. So what do we do when others are bullies or evil or something? Do we just stand back and watch? How do we engage the enemy when we are supposed to love them? Having enemies is one thing. Being a good neighbor to all people is another. So maybe if we love everyone no one will be an enemy. When it is personal is different than when there is evil that it is all it can be called. Still, what then?

    What if all people just wait until war is necessary and then win? That would create wars.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    It isn't God's Nature to take sides,
    Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    Neither does it mean that we aren't. What's your point? Do you believe that Christians should be doormats? We should set the standard for the world to follow. We don't want war, don't seek war; but when a war is necessary, we win. It isn't God's Nature to take sides, but He does see to it that the desires of evil men are thwarted.
    It's obvious that God doesn't approve of lethal weapons. However, people are allowed to defend themselves.
    Isiah 2:4
    He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore.
    Mic. 4:3
    He will render judgment among many peoples And set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcon View Post
    It's obvious that God doesn't approve of lethal weapons. However, people are allowed to defend themselves.
    Isiah 2:4
    He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore.
    Mic. 4:3
    He will render judgment among many peoples And set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore.

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    What allows me to defend myself?
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
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    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    Really?
    It isn't His Nature to take sides. If it were, He'd have made Israel the ruling power on earth by siding with the Israelites and taking over the Roman Empire and then the rest of the world. He doesn't come to take sides but to win hearts. It is the salvation of human souls that He is after. He is into redeeming men from sin and not being a talisman or team mascot.
    No Bueno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I don't want to be seen as a push over. I just don't think my "rights" matter as much as obedience to God.
    Were that true, you wouldn't own a computer, because you'd have sold it to give to the poor. Yes, your rights matter; they matter to God, too. He wants you to prosper and be in health just as much as your soul prospers from you being saved.
    God values me even if others don't.
    Amen.
    So what do we do when others are bullies or evil or something?
    Personally, turn the other cheek. God's got your back. If you say you aren't a pushover, then you'll stand up for yourself and defend your life and your family's life; if you're charitable, you'll even do so for your neighbors or your nation.
    How do we engage the enemy when we are supposed to love them?
    We don't seek out ways to destroy, but rather do good to those who are our enemies. Giving them over to the authorities for incarceration (or execution, as required) isn't hate. God said that police and soldiers are His Ministers acting on our behalf.

    Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: for he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
    Having enemies is one thing. Being a good neighbor to all people is another. So maybe if we love everyone no one will be an enemy.
    Why didn't Winston Churchill or President Roosevelt think of that?!? Wow, you've really got something there.
    When it is personal is different than when there is evil that it is all it can be called. Still, what then? What if all people just wait until war is necessary and then win? That would create wars.
    Yes, I agree: evil people create wars. They will continue to do so until Jesus takes over this world. Until then: we will have to make this world as safe as we can by confronting evil in it's every form.
    No Bueno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcon View Post
    It's obvious that God doesn't approve of lethal weapons. However, people are allowed to defend themselves.
    If that were true, He never would have said: "But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
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