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    The Christian's Involvement In Government

    What involvement if any should a Christian have in government?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    What involvement if any should a Christian have in government?
    As much as possible. Otherwise you have a society shaped and run by the Godless and their immoralities.

    Western civilization and Law is ultimately based on Judeo-Christian culture and the Ten Commandments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    As much as possible. Otherwise you have a society shaped and run by the Godless and their immoralities.

    Western civilization and Law is ultimately based on Judeo-Christian culture and the Ten Commandments.
    Are there Christians who have nothing to do with government? And, why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Are there Christians who have nothing to do with government? And, why?
    There are some, and they have their reasons, which I totally disagree with. I am not the right person to articulate their reasons

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    There are some, and they have their reasons, which I totally disagree with. I am not the right person to articulate their reasons
    Okay.

    Do you feel that it is right to want to be involved in government or politics? Why or how so? Do you want to bear the sword or something like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    There are some, and they have their reasons, which I totally disagree with. I am not the right person to articulate their reasons
    Yes, there are. Jehovah's Witnesses are the only Christians on earth who are totally neutral in all matters concerning this world's governments and military.

    This is for several reasons. Jesus himself refused in John 6:14-15 to be made king. He also said at John 18:36 that his "Kingdom is no part of this world".

    For true Christians today, becoming involved in government shows a lack of faith in God and His Heavenly Kingdom's ( or Government's ) ability to solve every single problem plaguing mankind today.

    This involvement includes, but is not limited to, voting for individuals here on earth to try to solve man's problems, instead of patiently waiting for God Himself to do so.

    For those who think that waiting for Jehovah to step in and solve all of man's problems would be a waste of time, the Israelites benefited every time they relied on Jehovah to protect them and defeat their enemies. It is no different today.

    People were not created with the ability to govern themselves. We were created to be in subjection to God. As our Creator, He has the absolute right to expect that we worship Him in a way that He approves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcon View Post

    For those who think that waiting for Jehovah to step in and solve all of man's problems would be a waste of time, the Israelites benefited every time they relied on Jehovah to protect them and defeat their enemies...
    List of Jewish leaders in the Land of Israel
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...Land_of_Israel
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    The Christian's Involvement In Governement

    A soldier of the civil authority must be taught not to kill men and to refuse to do so if he is commanded, and to refuse to take an oath. If he is unwilling to comply, he must be rejected for baptism. A military commander or civic magistrate must resign or be rejected. If a believer seeks to become a soldier, he must be rejected, for he has despised God.
    — Hippolytus of Rome

    One soul cannot be due to two masters—God and Csar. And yet Moses carried a rod, and Aaron wore a buckle, and John (Baptist) is girt with leather and Joshua the son of Nun leads a line of march; and the People warred: if it pleases you to sport with the subject. But how will a Christian man war, nay, how will he serve even in peace, without a sword, which the Lord has taken away? For albeit soldiers had come unto John, and had received the formula of their rule; albeit, likewise, a centurion had believed; still the Lord afterward, in disarming Peter, unbelted every soldier. No dress is lawful among us, if assigned to any unlawful action.
    — Tertullian, On Idolatry Chapter 19: Concerning Military Service
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    The earliest Christians were strongly discouraged from holding public office, based on the Biblical teaching that one cannot serve 2 masters - a concept that has been eroded/ignored over the centuries!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    The Christian's Involvement In Governement

    A soldier of the civil authority must be taught not to kill men and to refuse to do so if he is commanded, and to refuse to take an oath. If he is unwilling to comply, he must be rejected for baptism. A military commander or civic magistrate must resign or be rejected. If a believer seeks to become a soldier, he must be rejected, for he has despised God.
    — Hippolytus of Rome

    One soul cannot be due to two masters—God and Csar. And yet Moses carried a rod, and Aaron wore a buckle, and John (Baptist) is girt with leather and Joshua the son of Nun leads a line of march; and the People warred: if it pleases you to sport with the subject. But how will a Christian man war, nay, how will he serve even in peace, without a sword, which the Lord has taken away? For albeit soldiers had come unto John, and had received the formula of their rule; albeit, likewise, a centurion had believed; still the Lord afterward, in disarming Peter, unbelted every soldier. No dress is lawful among us, if assigned to any unlawful action.
    — Tertullian, On Idolatry Chapter 19: Concerning Military Service
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    The earliest Christians were strongly discouraged from holding public office, based on the Biblical teaching that one cannot serve 2 masters - a concept that has been eroded/ignored over the centuries!
    Interesting. I do not know what to say. What do you think about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Interesting. I do not know what to say. What do you think about it?
    The early Christians felt so strongly about this topic that they refused to baptise anyone holding public office - despite superficial differences, have we any reason to believe that modern secular governments are more "Godly" than those that preceded them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    The early Christians felt so strongly about this topic that they refused to baptise anyone holding public office - despite superficial differences, have we any reason to believe that modern secular governments are more "Godly" than those that preceded them?
    Interesting. I do not know what to say... other than for you to borrow a Bible and read about the baptism of Cornelius, a Roman Centurion (he oversaw anywhere from 100 to 1,000 men) who was baptized by the Apostle Peter.
    Tax collectors and other soldiers were also baptized.
    Last edited by aCultureWarrior; December 26th, 2018 at 11:19 PM.
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
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    The earliest Christians were strongly discouraged from holding public office, based on the Biblical teaching that one cannot serve 2 masters - a concept that has been eroded/ignored over the centuries!
    And your explanation of Romans 13: 1-7; 1 Timothy 1:8-10 and 1 Peter 2:13-14?
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Interesting. I do not know what to say... other than for you to borrow a Bible and read about the baptism of Cornelius, a Roman Centurion (he oversaw 100 men) who was baptized by the Apostle Peter.
    As a centurion who remained in the service of the Roman emperor whom he had sworn to obey, Cornelius would have also been obligated to follow orders for the persecution of other Christians and the crucifixion of Jesus, Paul, Peter .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    As a centurion who had sworn his loyalty to the Roman emperor, Cornelius would have been obligated to follow orders persecuting other Christians and the crucifixion of Jesus, Paul, Peter .....
    But you wrote this in an earlier post:

    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    The earliest Christians were strongly discouraged from holding public office, based on the Biblical teaching that one cannot serve 2 masters...The early Christians felt so strongly about this topic that they refused to baptise anyone holding public office.
    Yet Cornelius was baptized, as were others that worked in the public sector (tax collectors and other soldiers). I don't think that you're familiar with baptisms, but loyalty to anyone other than God comes a far distant second.
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    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    The early Christians felt so strongly about this topic that they refused to baptise anyone holding public office - despite superficial differences, have we any reason to believe that modern secular governments are more "Godly" than those that preceded them?
    Would it be godly to put a murderer to death? What does the Torah say?

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