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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    That would be great!
    Which would be more important: Seeing justice served, or decriminalizing pot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    At the rate this country is going, that's where we're headed.



    Have them flogged for putting society and those around them at risk.

    Say, 5 lashes if they're a first time offender. 20 for second time, 40 for third, and execution for any time after that, because they clearly are unwilling to comply with the demands of society.
    Execution? Wow man, Over a plant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Execution? Wow man, Over a plant.
    DrBrumley, I didn't expect you to be one who misrepresents his opponents arguments. That's something I expect from liberals and leftists.

    Please go read what I said again and pay attention.

    I said that if they were caught 3 times (with each time they are caught resulting in more lashes than the last), the fourth would result in their execution, because they are unwilling to abide by the rules of society.

    Ignoring part of my argument and then saying I'm unreasonable is something I expect from Arthur, not you. Should I start expecting such arguments from you now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Which is why anecdotal evidence is not good enough to defend a position.

    But you seem to keep ignoring that.What I believe has nothing to do with it.

    Facts are where it's at.I have already said and conceded that pot has medicinal uses. But that's not what we're discussing.

    I also said that it SHOULD NOT be self-prescribed or an over-the-counter drug. It should only be mercifully prescribed by a doctor to those who need it.

    Here is why it should be controlled:

    People who smoke pot are two and a half times more likely to be violent.

    Teens who smoke pot regularly are 26 TIMES more likely to start using other drugs.

    People who smoke pot are nearly 5 TIMES more likely to have a heart attack within the first hour of use.

    Pot use restricts blood flow to the brain, especially in the memory/dementia region.

    Pot users are more likely to be losers.

    Pot mutates one's DNA.

    Just one minute of secondhand smoke from marijuana (let alone actually smoking it yourself) impairs endothelial function.

    Smoking pot harms eyesight by damaging the nerves that connect your retinas to your visual cortex.

    Strong pot yields hallucination, paranoia, and schizophrenia in nearly a quarter of those newly diagnosed

    100 varieties of pot damage nerve fibres that handle the flow of messages across the two halves of the brain.

    And there are many other reasons besides these 10 at http://kgov.com/pot.
    I was interested in looking at some of these claims. I started with your first and found a big problem. You said
    People who smoke pot are two and a half times more likely to be violent.



    That is NOT what the study concluded. Please look at it again and let me know how your comment was misleading by missing a key component of the methodology used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    I was interested in looking at some of these claims. I started with your first and found a big problem. You said
    People who smoke pot are two and a half times more likely to be violent.



    That is NOT what the study concluded. Please look at it again and let me know how your comment was misleading by missing a key component of the methodology used.
    From the study:

    "Patients who reported having used cannabis at each follow-up periods were 2.44 times more likely to display violent behaviors"

    Did I miss something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    From the study:

    "Patients who reported having used cannabis at each follow-up periods were 2.44 times more likely to display violent behaviors"

    Did I miss something?
    "Patients". These were 1,136 recently discharged psychiatric patients not just random "people".
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    "Patients". These were 1,136 recently discharged psychiatric patients not just random "people".
    Patients are still people, are they not?

    These patients, who are people, still smoked pot, did they not?



    Stop discriminating against patients!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Patients are still people, are they not?

    These patients, who are people, still smoked pot, did they not?



    Stop discriminating against patients!
    Do you see a major difference between these two statements:
    People who smoke pot are two and a half times more likely to be violent
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    Recently discharged psychiatric patients who reported having used cannabis at each follow-up periods were 2.44 times more likely to display violent behaviors

    I am just trying to determine if you left out the type of control used by accident or intentionally in order to mislead what the findings actually imply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    And there are many other reasons besides these 10 at http://kgov.com/pot.
    Funny thing about that list of reasons is that they are worse for alcohol and/or tobacco than they are for marijuana. For example, the claim that marijuana damages DNA:

    Scientists have measured the catastrophic genetic damage caused by smoking in different organs of the body and identified several different mechanisms by which tobacco smoking causes mutations in DNA. Researchers at the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute, the Los Alamos National Laboratory and their collaborators found smokers accumulated an average of 150 extra mutations in every lung cell for each year of smoking one packet of cigarettes a day...

    Source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1103140559.htm

    And regarding the claim that marijuana is a gateway drug, tobacco and alcohol are also gateway drugs:

    A new study in mice shows how tobacco products could act as gateway drugs, opening the door to use of illicit drugs. Nicotine, the researchers found, makes the brain more susceptible to cocaine addiction. The finding suggests that lowering smoking rates in young people might help reduce cocaine abuse.

    Scientists have long recognized that cigarettes and alcohol raise the risk for later use of illicit drugs like marijuana and cocaine.

    Source: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-...e-gateway-drug

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    Have them flogged for putting society and those around them at risk.

    Say, 5 lashes if they're a first time offender. 20 for second time, 40 for third, and execution for any time after that, because they clearly are unwilling to comply with the demands of society.
    The negative effects of tobacco and alcohol consumption are, by every standard of measure, worse than the negative effects of marijuana consumption. That being the case, do you think the same draconian punishments should apply to consumers of tobacco and alcohol that you advocate for consumers of marijuana?

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    The negative effects of tobacco and alcohol consumption are, by every standard of measure, worse than the negative effects of marijuana consumption. That being the case, do you think the same draconian punishments should apply to consumers of tobacco and alcohol that you advocate for consumers of marijuana?
    I think that if someone is intoxicated, they should be punished.

    Drinking alcohol or smoking tobacco doesn't immediately make one intoxicated. In fact, it can (at least as far as alcohol is concerned, not sure about tobacco) provide health benefits.

    Drinking and smoking tobacco is fine.

    Being drunk or high is the line that is drawn by God.

    Hence not flogging someone for a prescription given to him by a doctor, but flogging the pothead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    Funny thing about that list of reasons is that they are worse for alcohol and/or tobacco than they are for marijuana. For example, the claim that marijuana damages DNA:

    Scientists have measured the catastrophic genetic damage caused by smoking in different organs of the body and identified several different mechanisms by which tobacco smoking causes mutations in DNA. Researchers at the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute, the Los Alamos National Laboratory and their collaborators found smokers accumulated an average of 150 extra mutations in every lung cell for each year of smoking one packet of cigarettes a day...

    Source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1103140559.htm

    And regarding the claim that marijuana is a gateway drug, tobacco and alcohol are also gateway drugs:

    A new study in mice shows how tobacco products could act as gateway drugs, opening the door to use of illicit drugs. Nicotine, the researchers found, makes the brain more susceptible to cocaine addiction. The finding suggests that lowering smoking rates in young people might help reduce cocaine abuse.

    Scientists have long recognized that cigarettes and alcohol raise the risk for later use of illicit drugs like marijuana and cocaine.

    Source: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-...e-gateway-drug



    The negative effects of tobacco and alcohol consumption are, by every standard of measure, worse than the negative effects of marijuana consumption. That being the case, do you think the same draconian punishments should apply to consumers of tobacco and alcohol that you advocate for consumers of marijuana?
    Oh, and by the way, God's standard of justice is not "draconian" by any means.

    Why do you belittle God with your accusations against Him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Oh, and by the way, God's standard of justice is not "draconian" by any means.

    Why do you belittle God with your accusations against Him?
    You are conflating yourself with God. Nowhere in the Bible are the punishments you advocate listed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    The negative effects of tobacco and alcohol consumption are, by every standard of measure, worse than the negative effects of marijuana consumption.
    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Drinking and smoking tobacco is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    You are conflating yourself with God.
    That's a dangerous accusation you're bringing against me.

    Nowhere in the Bible are the punishments you advocate listed.
    Seems someone doesn't know their Bible as well as they thought.

    Corporal Punishment:

    ‘If a man causes disfigurement of his neighbor, as he has done, so shall it be done to him—fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; as he has caused disfigurement of a man, so shall it be done to him. - Leviticus 24:19-20 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...0&version=NKJV

    If a false witness rises against any man to testify against him of wrongdoing,then both men in the controversy shall stand before the Lord, before the priests and the judges who serve in those days.And the judges shall make careful inquiry, and indeed, if the witness is a false witness, who has testified falsely against his brother,then you shall do to him as he thought to have done to his brother; so you shall put away the evil from among you.And those who remain shall hear and fear, and hereafter they shall not again commit such evil among you.Your eye shall not pity: life shall be for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. - Deuteronomy 19:16-21 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...1&version=NKJV

    For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God. - 1 Peter 2:20 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...0&version=NKJV

    Death Penalty:

    Causing death in the commission of a crime:

    “If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life,eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. - Exodus 21:22-25 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...5&version=NKJV

    Deadly negligence:

    “If an ox gores a man or a woman to death, then the ox shall surely be stoned, and its flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be acquitted.But if the ox tended to thrust with its horn in times past, and it has been made known to his owner, and he has not kept it confined, so that it has killed a man or a woman, the ox shall be stoned and its owner also shall be put to death.If there is imposed on him a sum of money, then he shall pay to redeem his life, whatever is imposed on him. - Exodus 21:28-30 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...0&version=NKJV

    There are plenty more places where god requires those "draconian punishments."

    Which means they are far from draconian. They are just.

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    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    Fine, meaning, they would/should not be against the law.

    Obviously, they are hazardous to one's health. But they don't inherently make one a threat to the rest of society.

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