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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    ummmmm

    no


    Marijuana-related traffic deaths increased by 154 percent between 2006 and 2014;


    https://www.factcheck.org/2016/08/un...t-in-colorado/





    The number of drivers involved in fatal crashes in Colorado who tested positive for marijuana has risen sharply each year since 2013, more than doubling in that time, federal and state data show. A Denver Post analysis of the data and coroner reports provides the most comprehensive look yet into whether roads in the state have become more dangerous since the drug’s legalization.

    Increasingly potent levels of marijuana were found in positive-testing drivers who died in crashes in Front Range counties, according to coroner data since 2013 compiled by The Denver Post. Nearly a dozen in 2016 had levels five times the amount allowed by law, and one was at 22 times the limit. Levels were not as elevated in earlier years.

    Last year, all of the drivers who survived and tested positive for marijuana use had the drug at levels that indicated use within a few hours of being tested, according to the Colorado Department of Transportation, which compiles information for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s Fatality Analysis Reporting System.

    The trends coincide with the legalization of recreational marijuana in Colorado that began with adult use in late 2012, followed by sales in 2014. Colorado transportation and public safety officials, however, say the rising number of pot-related traffic fatalities cannot be definitively linked to legalized marijuana.

    https://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/2...ic-fatalities/
    To Tambora's point how? It can go up 1000%and yet her post still stands..
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    This thread is great.....basically all this thread is about is "I don't like it, so you shouldn't do it, therefore it should be banned...."
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    ummmmm

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    Marijuana-related traffic deaths increased by 154 percent between 2006 and 2014;


    https://www.factcheck.org/2016/08/un...t-in-colorado/
    By that logic, we should first and foremost make alcohol illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    ummmmm

    no


    Marijuana-related traffic deaths increased by 154 percent between 2006 and 2014;


    https://www.factcheck.org/2016/08/un...t-in-colorado/





    The number of drivers involved in fatal crashes in Colorado who tested positive for marijuana has risen sharply each year since 2013, more than doubling in that time, federal and state data show. A Denver Post analysis of the data and coroner reports provides the most comprehensive look yet into whether roads in the state have become more dangerous since the drug’s legalization.

    Increasingly potent levels of marijuana were found in positive-testing drivers who died in crashes in Front Range counties, according to coroner data since 2013 compiled by The Denver Post. Nearly a dozen in 2016 had levels five times the amount allowed by law, and one was at 22 times the limit. Levels were not as elevated in earlier years.

    Last year, all of the drivers who survived and tested positive for marijuana use had the drug at levels that indicated use within a few hours of being tested, according to the Colorado Department of Transportation, which compiles information for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s Fatality Analysis Reporting System.

    The trends coincide with the legalization of recreational marijuana in Colorado that began with adult use in late 2012, followed by sales in 2014. Colorado transportation and public safety officials, however, say the rising number of pot-related traffic fatalities cannot be definitively linked to legalized marijuana.

    https://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/2...ic-fatalities/
    Conveniently left out from the first link:
    In the introduction of its report, the Rocky Mountain HIDTA states that terms such as “marijuana-related” or “tested positive for marijuana” do “not necessarily prove that marijuana was the cause of the incident.” The section on “Impaired Driving” also states that, when it comes to traffic fatalities, “marijuana-related” entails “any time marijuana shows up in the toxicology report [of drivers]. It could be marijuana only or marijuana with other drugs and/or alcohol.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    By that logic, we should first and foremost make alcohol illegal.
    The logic is that anything which the NORMAL USE of gets one high should be illegal.

    Millions of people have a glass of wine or two every day and do not get drunk.

    But one inhale on a joint of weed is enough to produce a high.

    That's the difference.

    Your position is common among those who support legalization. But it's wrong, because of the above.

    Also, we tried making alcohol illegal once, and it DID lower the number of health related issues that come as a result of drunkenness.

    But making alcoholic consumption illegal was wrong for the same reason that legalizing weed use is wrong, because a glass of wine doesn't get the average person drunk, whereas a puff on some weed produces an immediate high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    The logic is that anything which the NORMAL USE of gets one high should be illegal.

    Millions of people have a glass of wine or two every day and do not get drunk.

    But one inhale on a joint of weed is enough to produce a high.

    That's the difference.

    Your position is common among those who support legalization. But it's wrong, because of the above.
    I "highly" doubt that (pun intended). Have you ever taken "a puff on some weed" yourself?

    In the past I have occasionally taken a puff or three for its anti-inflammatory and other medicinal effects. Even a few puffs have never gotten me anywhere near high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    Conveniently left out from the first link:
    In the introduction of its report, the Rocky Mountain HIDTA states that terms such as “marijuana-related” or “tested positive for marijuana” do “not necessarily prove that marijuana was the cause of the incident.” The section on “Impaired Driving” also states that, when it comes to traffic fatalities, “marijuana-related” entails “any time marijuana shows up in the toxicology report [of drivers]. It could be marijuana only or marijuana with other drugs and/or alcohol.”
    i'm glad you followed the link and looked further - wish more people here would

    the take-away is that it's an ongoing experiment from which conclusions are difficult to draw

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    The logic is that anything which the NORMAL USE of gets one high should be illegal.

    Millions of people have a glass of wine or two every day and do not get drunk.

    But one inhale on a joint of weed is enough to produce a high.

    That's the difference.

    Your position is common among those who support legalization. But it's wrong, because of the above.

    Also, we tried making alcohol illegal once, and it DID lower the number of health related issues that come as a result of drunkenness.

    But making alcoholic consumption illegal was wrong for the same reason that legalizing weed use is wrong, because a glass of wine doesn't get the average person drunk, whereas a puff on some weed produces an immediate high.
    Why should it be illegal? Please answer per Tambora's point she made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Why should it be illegal? Please answer per Tambora's point she made.
    I'd be happy to see pot decriminalized as long as lawyers were no longer allowed to use it or abuse of other substances as an excuse to deny justice for their clients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    I'd be happy to see pot decriminalized as long as lawyers were no longer allowed to use it or abuse of other substances as an excuse to deny justice for their clients.
    Im in total agreement.
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    I never heard that claim....but I live under a rock I guess.
    i was being sarcastical *




    * coulda sworn that was used in good will hunting by Stellan Skarsgård - but darned if i can find a reference to it



    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    To Tambora's point how? It can go up 1000%and yet her post still stands..
    sorry - should have made that clear - i wasn't responding to tam, i was responding to WoO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    I'd be happy to see pot decriminalized as long as lawyers were no longer allowed to use it or abuse of other substances as an excuse to deny justice for their clients.
    My wife's best friend and her husband were killed 7 years ago by a drunk driver. He got thrown in prison for vehicular manslaughter...my felling is, no matter what drug you put in your body, your still responsible for your actions...no one made that guy drink, just like no one makes you take a toke or shoot up your arm.
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    By that logic, we should first and foremost make alcohol illegal.
    first of all, i was quoting statistics, not using logic to make an argument



    secondly, if we were interested in reducing alcohol related traffic fatalities, we could mandate that all new cars be equipped with breathalyzer interlocks and require retrofits to old cars

    there were over 10000 alcohol related MVA deaths in 2012

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Why should it be illegal?

    the libertarian argument is that whatever people choose to do with their own bodies in their own homes is nobody's business but their own


    the practical perspective is that they never leave those anti-social behaviors at home - they always take them out into the public sphere - whether they be sexual perversions, deliberate impairment of cognitive abilities or whatever

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    the libertarian argument is that whatever people choose to do with their own bodies in their own homes is nobody's business but their own


    That is true.


    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    the practical perspective is that they never leave those anti-social behaviors at home - they always take them out into the public sphere - whether they be sexual perversions, deliberate impairment of cognitive abilities or whatever
    That is besides the point....

    Laws should not be based on "well, I don't like it"
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