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    How Hard Is It To Be Save?

    Believing is 1st, but what do we really believe?

    I would like for everyone to use scripture, please.

    Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

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    Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

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    Jn. 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
    Wretched man that I am.

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    John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    1:24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. 1:25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?

    1:40 One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

    1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

    1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

    1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

    Your kind, IAB and Turbbo, never ever appear to grasp the obvious - that you are reading things into passages like those you each cited.

    Those passages you each cited were spoken some three and a half years before His Crucifixion.

    All they were requiring at the time of their utterance was that ISRAELITES believe THEIR God by believing that Jesus was THEIR Prophesied Christ, the Son of God, THEIR Promised the King of Israel.

    Just as, throughout Israel's history, THEIR Good News, or Gospel is Progressive in its' Revelation, each Generation required to believe an aspect revealed to THEM that THEIR prior Generations had not been privy to, because the thing is Progressive.

    Just as AFTER The Cross THEIR Gospel now contained that further aspect.

    Clearly, your kind do not know your Bibles as in depth on this very simple issue, as you ever so obviously appear to think you do.

    But because your kind think you do, there is...no reasoning with you.

    Result?

    In the end, your kind amount to nothing more than a repeat warning of what self-deception looks like - and in thread, after thread, after thread.

    But at least you appear to believe what you are reading INTO passages like the ones you each cited.

    Credit where credit is due.

    It is, what it is.

    Romans 5:6-8.

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    You're too smart for your own good. You're focusing in on one thing and missing/distorting the big picture.

    This is after.
    2 Thess. 1:8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

    Gal. 5:7 You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
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    Wretched man that I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbosixx View Post
    You're too smart for your own good. You're focusing in on one thing and missing/distorting the big picture.

    This is after.
    2 Thess. 1:8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

    Gal. 5:7 You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
    A usual, my post went right past you.

    Rom. 5:6-8.

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    Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
    Those that believed the Messiah would come but had died before he did, would live again.
    Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
    From the time Jesus spoke this, there has never been a believer that has died.

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    Mat 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
    Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
    Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
    Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

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    You Must Be Born Again
    Joh 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
    Joh 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
    Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
    Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
    Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
    Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
    Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
    Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
    Joh 3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
    Joh 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
    Joh 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
    Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
    Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
    Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
    Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

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    Of all the commandments, love is hardest.

    Joh_5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
    Joh_8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
    Joh_10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
    Joh_13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
    Joh_13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
    Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
    Joh_14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
    Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
    Joh_14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
    Joh_15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
    Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
    Joh_15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
    Joh_15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
    Joh_15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
    Joh_15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
    Joh_17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
    Joh_21:15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
    Joh_21:16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
    Joh_21:17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
    Rom_5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
    Rom_5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
    Rom_8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
    Rom_8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
    Rom_8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
    Rom_12:9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
    Rom_12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
    Rom_13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
    Rom_13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    Rom_13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
    Rom_15:30 Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;
    1Co_2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
    1Co_4:21 What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?
    1Co_8:3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
    1Co_16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
    1Co_16:24 My love be with you all in Christ Jesus. Amen. The first epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi by Stephanas and Fortunatus and Achaicus and Timotheus.
    2Co_2:4 For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be grieved, but that ye might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you.
    2Co_2:8 Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him.
    2Co_5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
    2Co_6:6 By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
    2Co_8:7 Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.
    2Co_8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.
    2Co_8:24 Wherefore shew ye to them, and before the churches, the proof of your love, and of our boasting on your behalf.
    2Co_11:11 Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth.
    2Co_12:15 And I will very gladly spend and be spent for you; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved.
    2Co_13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
    2Co_13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. The second epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, a city of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas.
    Gal_5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
    Gal_5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
    Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    Gal_5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
    Eph_1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
    Eph_1:15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
    Eph_2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
    Eph_3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
    Eph_3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
    Eph_4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
    Eph_4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
    Eph_4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
    Eph_5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
    Eph_5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
    Eph_5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
    Eph_5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
    Eph_6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
    Eph_6:24 Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen. To the Ephesians written from Rome, by Tychicus.
    Php_1:9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
    Php_1:17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
    Php_2:1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
    Php_2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
    Col_1:4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
    Col_1:8 Who also declared unto us your love in the Spirit.
    Col_2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
    Col_3:19 Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.
    1Th_1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
    1Th_3:12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:
    1Th_4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
    1Th_5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
    1Th_5:13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.
    2Th_2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
    2Th_3:5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.
    1Ti_1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
    1Ti_6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
    1Ti_6:11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
    2Ti_1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
    2Ti_1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
    2Ti_4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
    Tit_2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
    Tit_3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
    Tit_3:15 All that are with me salute thee. Greet them that love us in the faith. Grace be with you all. Amen. It was written to Titus, ordained the first bishop of the church of the Cretians, from Nicopolis of Macedonia.
    Phm_1:5 Hearing of thy love and faith, which thou hast toward the Lord Jesus, and toward all saints;
    Phm_1:7 For we have great joy and consolation in thy love, because the bowels of the saints are refreshed by thee, brother.
    Phm_1:9 Yet for love's sake I rather beseech thee, being such an one as Paul the aged, and now also a prisoner of Jesus Christ.
    Heb_6:10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
    Heb_10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
    Heb_13:1 Let brotherly love continue.
    Jas_1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
    Jas_2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
    Jas_2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
    1Pe_1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
    1Pe_1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
    1Pe_2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
    1Pe_3:8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
    1Pe_3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:
    1Jn_2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
    1Jn_2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
    1Jn_3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
    1Jn_3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
    1Jn_3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
    1Jn_3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
    1Jn_3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
    1Jn_3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
    1Jn_3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
    1Jn_4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
    1Jn_4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
    1Jn_4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
    1Jn_4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
    1Jn_4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
    1Jn_4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
    1Jn_4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
    1Jn_4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
    1Jn_4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
    1Jn_4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
    1Jn_4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
    1Jn_4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
    1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
    1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
    2Jn_1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
    2Jn_1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
    2Jn_1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
    2Jn_1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
    3Jn_1:1 The elder unto the wellbeloved Gaius, whom I love in the truth.
    Jud_1:2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
    Jud_1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
    Rev_2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
    Rev_3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
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    Pro 8:1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?
    Pro 8:2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.
    Pro 8:3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.
    Pro 8:4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.
    Pro 8:5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
    Pro 8:6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.
    Pro 8:7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.
    Pro 8:8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
    Pro 8:9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
    Pro 8:10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
    Pro 8:11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
    Pro 8:12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
    Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
    Pro 8:14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
    Pro 8:15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
    Pro 8:16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
    Pro 8:17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
    Pro 8:18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.
    Pro 8:19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.
    Pro 8:20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:
    Pro 8:21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

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