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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    You call anything boring and a stawman when you have no answer.
    It gets old.
    you wrote: "Why would you think that the law was for all of Israel EXCEPT for whoever was their King at the time?"

    it's a strawman because that's not what i think

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    Either the law was to be obeyed by all of Israel or it was not to be obeyed by all of Israel.
    is that what you think or is that what you think i think?

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    David was guilty and even admitted he was guilty.
    correct

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    But GOD showed mercy
    nope

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    and did not force the law upon him to end his life.
    correct

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    As the LORD says "I will have mercy upon whom I will have mercy".
    you dodged this one before - care to take a crack at it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    was God merciful when He killed David's child?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post

    you dodged this one before - care to take a crack at it?
    It's irrelevant because taking the life of an adulterer's child was not the penalty for adultery per the law.
    The penalty was losing your life by being stoned to death, and GOD showed David mercy instead of imposing law upon him.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemeorhateme View Post
    I propose we execute everyone who sins, itís a quick way to wipe out humanity!

    That particular judgement can be seen every day. 1.8 people leave time and enter eternity every second. "The wages of sin is death".
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

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    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Who were the ones to be the earthy authority to execute adulterers?
    Government workers. Perhaps an aggreived party.

    Post a scripture story of an actual judgement and stoning of an adulterer being carried out.

    Can you, or anyone, think of one?
    I don't think there are any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    You may never know that for certain. In effect, you're playing God.
    IF the evidence is clear that someone committed murder, why should they not receive the death penalty?
    TRUST
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    I don't think there are any.
    Me either.
    I couldn't recall a single story in scripture of the stoning of an adulterer being carried out.

    That would make a good trivia question, as most would probably assume there was a story about it in scripture since there is so much talk about adultery and stories of people that committed adultery.

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    They already know monsters exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    ... GOD showed David mercy ...
    nope

    i guess we're at an impasse tam - you think its mercy and i don't

    and i don't think it's worth my time trying to persuade you of my perspective

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    nope

    i guess we're at an impasse tam - you think its mercy and i don't

    and i don't think it's worth my time trying to persuade you of my perspective
    It was mercy not to take the life of David for his adultery.
    What do YOU call that if not mercy?

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    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    we've been over this tam

    and it's been instructive - i sincerely thank you for your participation in the discussion

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemeorhateme View Post
    I also know someone who committed rape, who is currently incarcerated. Many would wash their hands, walk away, and consider him unredeemable. In a way I do understand this line of thinking, yet Iím trying to see him as more than the crime he committed. I want to see him reformed when he comes out of prison, and am trying to support him in this.
    that's the role of the individual, specifically the individual Christian, to see the unfortunate who are caught in circumstances of their own making, to see them as human, redeemable, to view them with pity and mercy

    that is not the role of the state

    the role of the state is justice

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    we've been over this tam

    and it's been instructive - i sincerely thank you for your participation in the discussion
    I just don't see how one could not see mercy in it when David did not receive what was deserved per the law.
    If enforcing the law is justice, then it was not justice to not enforce the law upon David.
    So it had to be something else besides justice when David did not receive the penalty for adultery per the law.
    I don't know what you would call that except for mercy.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    IF the evidence is clear that someone committed murder, why should they not receive the death penalty?
    Sure that's a debatable option. Your list of capital offenses extended beyond murder though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    i would say that God had other plans for David

    was God merciful when He killed David's child?
    Did God "kill" David's child?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    I just don't see how one could not see mercy in it when David did not receive what was deserved per the law.
    If enforcing the law is justice, then it was not justice to not enforce the law upon David.
    So it had to be something else besides justice when David did not receive the penalty for adultery per the law.
    I don't know what you would call that except for mercy.
    And perhaps reaping the consequences of what was sown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Did God "kill" David's child?
    That's an affirmative

    The Lord struck the child that Uriahís wife bore to David, and it became very ill. 16 David therefore pleaded with God for the child; David fasted, and went in and lay all night on the ground. 17 The elders of his house stood beside him, urging him to rise from the ground; but he would not, nor did he eat food with them. 18 On the seventh day the child died.
    The state ó whatever its particular forms ó always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the stateís usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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