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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    You dont believe Rom 4:25. You teach there's sinners Christ was delivered for and raised again for who are condemned don't you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    I have been wrongfully accused of teaching heresy. I do not teach heresy, I teach what the Bible says, I believe the same Gospel that the apostle Paul preached.
    Luke wrote his Gospel, and Acts, with Paul's help. What if Paul always meant the Gospel of Luke, whenever he said 'my Gospel?'

    Romans 2:16 KJV Romans 16:25 KJV 2nd Timothy 2:8 KJV 1st Corinthians 15:1-2 KJV 1st Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

    Does the Gospel of Luke fit all of those scriptures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    This is supposed to be a Forum. Where is your refutal of my opening post. If you were as spiritual as you think that you are you would be able to do that with plenty of scripture references. Instead all that you have is hot air and insults. Perhaps you are under conviction.
    My post explains why you are continually accused of being a heretic.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

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    Robert,
    Can we go back to post #7 and discuss what you wrote? Do you have any interest in explaining to any length possible what your interpretation was of what I wrote in post #3?
    Do you understand that in order to have discussion, there has to be understanding of what is being said, regardless of which party (or both) are unclear?
    Do you have the desire, the time, the ability, the patience to engage in this?
    I am just looking for a simple yes or no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Luke wrote his Gospel, and Acts, with Paul's help. What if Paul always meant the Gospel of Luke, whenever he said 'my Gospel?'

    Romans 2:16 KJV Romans 16:25 KJV 2nd Timothy 2:8 KJV 1st Corinthians 15:1-2 KJV 1st Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

    Does the Gospel of Luke fit all of those scriptures?

    -idea taken from Eusebius, diocesan bishop of Caesarea, 300s
    Luke and the other apostles did not know or understand all that Jesus had accomplished in his life, death and resurrection until the day of Pentecost Acts chapter 2. Paul also taught the apostles the Gospel that he had received from Jesus, Galatians 1:11,12.

    When Paul referred to "my Gospel" he meant the Gospel that he received from Jesus, Galatians 1:11,12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishrovmen View Post
    Robert,
    Can we go back to post #7 and discuss what you wrote? Do you have any interest in explaining to any length possible what your interpretation was of what I wrote in post #3?
    Do you understand that in order to have discussion, there has to be understanding of what is being said, regardless of which party (or both) are unclear?
    Do you have the desire, the time, the ability, the patience to engage in this?
    I am just looking for a simple yes or no.
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    Sure, I think that words "law" and "religion" basically mean the same thing. When one is doing the law they are doing their religion. When they are doing their religion they are doing the law.

    All religions are law based. You cannot join the organized church and be free from their laws. Example. If you join the Baptist church you must be baptized and agree to abide by their laws and rules. The Catholic church is full of laws and rules. If you don't abide by them or their doctrine you are anathema.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Sure, I think that words "law" and "religion" basically mean the same thing.
    Well, Robert, the words are not synonyms, and as long as you continue to use them as such you are going to find yourself on the receiving end of much disagreement and rancor, especially when you use your personal definition of "religion" as a cudgel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    Well, Robert, the words are not synonyms, and as long as you continue to use them as such you are going to find yourself on the receiving end of much disagreement and rancor, especially when you use your personal definition of "religion" as a cudgel.

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    All religions have evolved from Judaism, Judaism was a religion of law. The Pharisees practiced law keeping. Some of them even tithed down to the mint in their gardens, Matthew 23:23. This was their religion, was it not?

    All organized churches have by laws. When you join an organized church you are required to abide by their by laws, are you not? If you don't abide by their laws they will kick you out. In the Catholic church it is called anathema.

    If I joined your Presbyterian Church and started to teach against predestination would they not kick me out? Of course they would. Whatever church you belong to you must abide by their laws and their doctrines. This is the exact thing that Paul taught against. Being subject to laws, rules and ordinances, Colossians 2:20-22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Sure, I think that words "law" and "religion" basically mean the same thing. When one is doing the law they are doing their religion. When they are doing their religion they are doing the law.

    All religions are law based. You cannot join the organized church and be free from their laws. Example. If you join the Baptist church you must be baptized and agree to abide by their laws and rules. The Catholic church is full of laws and rules. If you don't abide by them or their doctrine you are anathema.
    I am glad that you are interested in discussion.
    When you posted your first post, you quote Romans 3:20 which includes the English word "law". Then you immediately make a comment using the word law that you say is "any religious thing that one might do".
    So you seem to be implying that the Greek word "nomou" which is translated into English as "law" in Romans 3:20 can be replaced with the word "religion" per your comment in post #7 where you say "The scripture could also say, "Therefore by the deeds of religion there shall no flesh be justified in his sight".
    Is this correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    All religions have evolved from Judaism, Judaism was a religion of law. The Pharisees practiced law keeping. Some of them even tithed down to the mint in their gardens, Matthew 23:23. This was their religion, was it not?

    All organized churches have by laws. When you join an organized church you are required to abide by their by laws, are you not? If you don't abide by their laws they will kick you out. In the Catholic church it is called anathema.

    If I joined your Presbyterian Church and started to teach against predestination would they not kick me out? Of course they would. Whatever church you belong to you must abide by their laws and their doctrines. This is the exact thing that Paul taught against. Being subject to laws, rules and ordinances, Colossians 2:20-22.
    Paul asked why subjegate yourself to the laws “according to the commandments and doctrines OF MEN??”

    He did NOT teach “do what thou whilst”...

    It remains “here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and the faith of Yahushua”...jews are only keeping something close to that faith...

    Your “lawlessness” is not advocated in the New Covenant...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishrovmen View Post
    I am glad that you are interested in discussion.
    When you posted your first post, you quote Romans 3:20 which includes the English word "law". Then you immediately make a comment using the word law that you say is "any religious thing that one might do".
    So you seem to be implying that the Greek word "nomou" which is translated into English as "law" in Romans 3:20 can be replaced with the word "religion" per your comment in post #7 where you say "The scripture could also say, "Therefore by the deeds of religion there shall no flesh be justified in his sight".
    Is this correct?
    Yes, by the deeds of the law or religion no flesh will be justified in his sight. Let me define the word religion. RELIGION: man's preoccupation with his own spirituality, which is himself. Paul used the word religion to describe his life as a Pharisee, Acts 26:5.

    Religion is not of faith. Religious people usually have faith in their religion, this is why they join a religious church or a religious organization. When the Bible speaks of faith it is not faith in a religion, it is always faith in Christ. When Paul said, "The Just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17. He meant by faith in Christ and his Gospel.

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