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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    Having God, possessing His favour and love, is of infinitely greater value than the combined things the world contains.

    God will take those who love Him to heaven to be with Him forever and He will leave those behind who willfully reject Him.
    But to have once possessed all the blessings that pertain to Him, and His promises of Messiah, and to reject and kill Him when He came, was the greatest loss ever in history. The penalty for this was to take the Kingdom and give it to others. Mat 25:29-30KJV

    Even without the understanding of why the loss occurred, it was still the greatest suffering of all time.
    Israel never had all the blessings that pertain to God. They had the Old Covenant which did not include eternal life as one of its rewards. What they lost was having a physical national identity, the potential to have protection from enemies in war while they obeyed the covenant, etc etc. Considering that they rejected their God AND Eternal Life it shows that they didn't value it that highly to begin with.

    "Greatest suffering" because their culture was destroyed? They would hardly be the first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Luke 19 speaks of all Jerusalem left with not one stone upon another. That didn't happen. Josephus said so.
    First it's about the temple instead of Jerusalem. Second a prophecy goes with short sentences. It won't say that "no one stone upon another except for several + a small wall...". Contexts written this way are not prophetic writings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkins View Post
    First it's about the temple instead of Jerusalem. Second a prophecy goes with short sentences. It won't say that "no one stone upon another except for several + a small wall...". Contexts written this way are not prophetic writings.

    Luke 19 speaks of all Jerusalem left with not one stone upon another. That didn't happen. Josephus said so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Luke 19 speaks of all Jerusalem left with not one stone upon another. That didn't happen. Josephus said so.
    Luke 19:41-45 KJV
    (41) And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
    (42) Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
    (43) For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
    (44) And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
    (45) And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought;

    Considering the parallel account in Matthew 24, it would not be hard to believe that he spoke of the temple (such as outside of it and referring to it) in Luke 19:44. We are given multiple gospels for a reason, one of which to help with the three-dimensional reconciling of areas that might otherwise be considered vague.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Luke 19 speaks of all Jerusalem left with not one stone upon another. That didn't happen. Josephus said so.
    Can you show me where Luke 19 says "all Jerusalem" shall have not one stone left upon another? As in specifically?

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    Jeremiah 3:17 KJV

    14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the Lord; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: 15 and I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding. 16 And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the Lord, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the Lord: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more. 17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart. 18 In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Luke 19 speaks of all Jerusalem left with not one stone upon another. That didn't happen. Josephus said so.
    A prophecy doesn't work that way. Usually it is composed of short sentences.

    1. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls.
    2. They will not leave one stone on another,

    They don't need to point to Jerusalem the same way. They can be descriptions of different scenarios would occur.

    Psalm 22 is typical of prophetic about Jesus on the cross. However it's not for you to link up each sentence to say that it didn't occur the way how those sentences should link up. That's not how a prophecy works.

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    Isaiah 2:3 KJV And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.



    Micah 4:2 KJV And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    Can you show me where Luke 19 says "all Jerusalem" shall have not one stone left upon another? As in specifically?
    41And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 42Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. 43For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 44And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
    Not just the temple, the whole city would be reduced to disconnected rubble.

    Rome didn't do that. Josephus said so.
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    Psalms 47 KJV

    1 O clap your hands, all ye people;shout unto God with the voice of triumph.2 For the Lord most high is terrible;he is a great King over all the earth.3 He shall subdue the people under us,and the nations under our feet.4 He shall choose our inheritance for us,the excellency of Jacob whom he loved. Selah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkins View Post
    A prophecy doesn't work that way. Usually it is composed of short sentences.
    Keep calling Christ a liar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Keep calling Christ a liar.
    It has nothing to do with Christ. It's about how a prophecy shall read.

    Psalm 22 is typical of prophetic about Jesus on the cross. However it's not for you to link up each sentence to say that it didn't occur the way how those sentences should link up. That's not how a prophecy works.

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    Psalms 67 KJV
    1 God be merciful unto us, and bless us;and cause his face to shine upon us; Selah.2 That thy way may be known upon earth,thy saving health among all nations.3 Let the people praise thee, O God;let all the people praise thee.4 O let the nations be glad and sing for joy:for thou shalt judge the people righteously,and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.5 Let the people praise thee, O God;let all the people praise thee.6 Then shall the earth yield her increase;and God, even our own God, shall bless us.7 God shall bless us;and all the ends of the earth shall fear him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkins View Post
    It has nothing to do with Christ.
    Yes it does. Go troll somewhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Yes it does. Go troll somewhere else.
    It's you who is trolling to say that a biblical prophecy is not a prophecy at all!

    Go trolling else where to say how biblical prophecies don't work.

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