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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    In Gen 6:1-7, who is GOD holding accountable, Angels or men?

    Does it say that GOD regrets creating Angels or is it man?


    Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

    If Adam was son of God, then all his children were also.

    Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    This really proves three points, Angels are not the sons of God, the children of God took wives from the daughters of man, and there were two creations, mankind and the man named Adam, as I have said before
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttruscott View Post
    Yet the homily about GOD's discipline of HIS LEGITIMATE children implies there are illegitimate children who are not HIS children at all, Heb 12:5-11 (v8).
    Cain was a child of Satan. His children have tried to destroy the children of God from the beginning.

    Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
    Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil;

    Luk 11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
    Luk 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
    Luk 11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

    Scribes and Pharisees are accused by Jesus for the blood of Abel, by Cain, unto to the blood of Zacharias, who was the father of John the Baptist.

    Just who were the Scribes and Pharisees? From the scripture above it shows them to be children of Cain, who was the child of Satan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamaberean View Post
    Cain was a child of Satan. His children have tried to destroy the children of God from the beginning.
    A very good good summation...

    Do you think the reference to the Sons of GOD in Job 38:7 refers to the Church or some other contingent of HIS children? It does say all, [kol: the whole, all] no?
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    Angels.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    the notion of angelic-human interbreeding is quite speculative.
    Demigods appear in Chinese mythology, Sumerian mythology, Greek mythology, Roman mythology, Hindu mythology, Norse mythology, Celtic mythology and more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    As from what I am able to discern, the one linguistic connection between "sons of God" and angels comes in Job 1:6; Job 2:1; Job 38:7, where we observe what presumably are angels presenting themselves before God.

    There we also find Satan come in before the Lord. But note here that a quite natural reading of the passage separates Satan from these "sons of God;" he is said to come also. So, is it natural (on the basis of Job 38:7) to say that angels both unfallen and fallen are properly designated "sons of God?" Job 38:7 points to a time before rebellion in heaven (Revelation 12:7).

    What is proposed, on the basis of the theory of angelic and human interspecial sexual relations, or even demonic possession theory, is that a name of glory, sons of God, is put upon the evilest of personalities whose aim is to destroy the work of God and overthrow his intent to save. As charitably as I am able to state, this is a very curious expectation from reading the text or having it read to the hearing.

    It is far more natural a reading—given the immediate background of two separate genealogies: the first of an ungodly sort; the second of the godly—that those who were constituted adopted sons, even Israel's new self-awareness (see Isaiah 43:6; cf. 2 Corinthians 5:18), that they should identify the "sons of God" with the godly heritage of Seth (also adopted), over against those whose identity was purely of the earth (1 Corinthians 15:47) and of mankind in general condemned to sink forever back into the dust from which he was raised.

    In short, the notion of angelic-human interbreeding is quite speculative. It certainly seems to contradict a very clear teaching of our Lord on marriage and the nature of angels, Matthew 22:30, forcing an attenuated sense upon one Scripture or another for harmonious interpretation. Whereas, the warning connection between the times past and present (to the Exodus)—intermarriage with idolatrous neighbors—and the connection to the immediate context require no gymnastics, nor contextual appeal to the book of Job.

    In Genesis 6:2-4, there is no causative relation established in the text between the "sons of God" and the giants, Numbers 13:33 (Nephilim). All the text establishes is that both a) the relations between "sons" and "daughters," and b) the existence of giants (Nephilim), are concurrent.

    There is no reason to make an identification between the Nephilim and the offspring of the sons of God. The sons of God are pointed out in the previous chapter of Genesis as the line of believers who sprung from Adam's likeness as one made in the likeness of God, and who called on the name of the Lord. Luke 3:38 interprets this as meaning that Adam was the son of God.

    For that matter, the Nephilim were already in existence before the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men. "After that" (Genesis 6:4) refers to a time following the period when the Nephilim are in the earth. The word "became" (became mighty men) is in italics as an attempt to fill out the contextual tense in which the pronoun is used. The Hebrew can naturally be read as simply explaining what had been brought forth as a result of the union with the daughters of men— "they were mighty men which were of old, men of renown." There is no reason to take this as referring to the Nephilim.

    The Nephilim, together with the fact that the sons of God went in to the daughters of men, together with the fact that the offspring of the sons of God became men of renown like Cain and Lamech, are all part of the picture of wickedness at the time. There is no reason to make an identification between the Nephilim and the offspring of the sons of God.

    The sons of God are pointed out in the previous chapter of Genesis as the line of believers who sprung from Adam's likeness as one made in the likeness of God, and who called on the name of the Lord. Luke 3:38 interprets this as meaning that Adam was the son of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttruscott View Post
    Yet the homily about GOD's discipline of HIS LEGITIMATE children implies there are illegitimate children who are not HIS children at all, Heb 12:5-11 (v8).
    That is what God says, some are bastards.
    Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
    Then God says:
    Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
    Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
    Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

    And now, the example of one child of God who would not take instructions:
    Heb 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
    Heb 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

    Follow the children of Esau and you will see those who opposed Jesus, Herod the (sic) Great, the scribes and Pharisees, just to name a few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamaberean View Post
    I have been told that the sons of God were angels, let's see what scripture says.

    Job_1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
    Satan was an angel, so maybe the sons of God are too.

    Job_2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
    Looks like every time the sons of God come, so does Satan.

    Now, we'll take a look at the rest of the scriptures that have sons of God in them.
    Job_38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
    Joh_1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
    Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
    Rom_8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
    Php_2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
    1Jn_3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
    1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

    Now back to Genesis
    Gen_6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
    Wait a minute, the sons of God took wives of the daughters of men. Does that mean that God did not have daughters? Of course he had daughters, but his sons started to take wives of the daughters of men.

    Gen_6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

    What does this mean? It means there had to be two creations of mankind. Gen 1 and Gen 2 confirms that fact.

    Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
    It depends on the context.

    In your first verses it is referring to angels, the gospel verses refer to man

    Or believers vs. unbelievers

    Sometimes adopted sons sometimes sons of God by seed, I Peter 1:23
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamaberean View Post
    Cain was a child of Satan.
    Some people think this means only that he chose to follow Ba'al's first fruit religion and rejected Adam's coat of skins (Christ) religion.
    Others believe this means he was the child of Eve and the serpent's union.
    Others believe it means he was sown into the world by his father the devil, as per Matt 13:38-39.

    Are you referring to any of these or something else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Angels.
    Angels is not a race it is a job description, if that matters.

    You only deny it refers to all the spirits created in HIS image because of your bias against our pre-conception existence and for our being created on earth at conception or birth since there is not one verse that can possibly be construed to be against our pre-conception existence.

    It is a perfect way for Rom 1:20, ie proof clearly seen by what was made, to make sense since the study of nature on earth has never ever produced a a single believer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttruscott View Post
    Angels is not a race it is a job description, if that matters.
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttruscott View Post
    You only deny it refers to all the spirits created in HIS image because of your bias against our pre-conception existence and for our being created on earth at conception or birth since there is not one verse that can possibly be construed to be against our pre-conception existence.
    The Bible never teaches that humans have a pre-conception existence, so the burden of proof is on you to prove that we existed before our conception.
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    Sons of God are angels. No doubt about that. The Nephilim are the offspring of angel human relations who became demons after the flood.
    Delight yourself in the LORD, And He shall give you the desires of your heart. . Psalms 37:4

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc View Post
    Sons of God are angels. No doubt about that. The Nephilim are the offspring of angel human relations who became demons after the flood.
    Nice to see you Andy...even if you are mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamaberean View Post


    Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

    If Adam was son of God, then all his children were also.

    Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    This really proves three points, Angels are not the sons of God, the children of God took wives from the daughters of man, and there were two creations, mankind and the man named Adam, as I have said before
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    "Sons of God" and "daughters of men" really upsets peoples theology.
    Delight yourself in the LORD, And He shall give you the desires of your heart. . Psalms 37:4

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Nice to see you Andy...even if you are mistaken.
    Hiya

    Where is STP and Chickenman these days?
    This subject was one of the few instance where we agreed, but I can't remember what the madist angle was on this.
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