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    Quote Originally Posted by 7djengo7 View Post
    No bread is ever synonymous with any body. No bread ever has, nor ever will, become synonymous with any body. Synonymy is a relationship that holds between things that are words; it is not a relationship that holds between things that are not words. Bread is not a word, and neither is a body a word. The word 'bread', indeed, is a word. The word 'body', indeed, is a word.

    In The American Heritage Dictionary, in the entry for the noun, 'synonym', we read:



    The word 'bread' does not have the same or nearly the same meaning as the word 'body' in the English language. So, the two English words are not synonyms of one another.

    The word 'ἄρτος' does not have the same or nearly the same meaning as the word 'σῶμα' in the Greek language. So, the two Greek words are not synonyms of one another.
    What does the word 'meaning' mean? I submit that 'meaning' means, first of all, 'denotation,' and that synonyms are two or more different words that denote the same thing(s).

    And in the Church's doctrine of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, both "bread" and "body" denote the same thing. So in the Eucharist, which is the context of 1st Corinthians 11:24 KJV, they are synonyms.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7djengo7 View Post
    I had written,


    Your response to what I wrote, there, is:



    Here is 1 Corinthians 11:24:



    Obviously, not only is Paul not using the word 'bread' in this verse as a synonym for the word 'body' (nor for any other word}, but he is not even using the word 'bread' in this verse, period.
    You're right. 1st Corinthians 11:23-24 KJV
    Quote Originally Posted by 7djengo7 View Post
    He's certainly not teaching you, nor anybody else, that the word 'bread' is a synonym for the word 'body'.
    That's your contention.
    [QUOTE=7djengo7;5295363]If, in 1 Corinthians 11:24, Paul had wanted to use the word 'bread' as a synonym for the word 'body', then why didn't he do so? Why didn't he, instead, write:

    We know what the Church took him to mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    At what point does the bread become His body?
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    At no point, whatsoever.
    Bald assertion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7djengo7 View Post
    I asked you why you capitalized the three G's in your expression, "these Guys Got Grapes".


    Is that what alliteration is? Capitalizing the initials of two or more consecutive words that aren't proper nouns in a sentence or phrase?
    Alliteration is why I capitalized the three Gs.
    Quote Originally Posted by 7djengo7 View Post
    Neither was I. But, it would appear, from the fact that you associate the number of the beast with Nero, that you are a preterist in regard to John's Apocalypse. Years ago, I was a preterist, myself, for a while. What ultimately made me realize that preterism is a sham is carefully reading Kenneth L. Gentry's interesting books in advocacy of preterism.
    Call it whatever you like.
    Quote Originally Posted by 7djengo7 View Post
    Now, in speaking of the Apostle Peter, you have said:



    Would you say, then, that the name 'Babylon', in the Apocalypse, also is "code for Rome"? For instance, in Revelation 18:2, we read:



    Would you say that "Babylon the great", here, is "code for Rome"?
    Could be.
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