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    ELECT Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God

    According to Calvinism hucksters, it is unwarranted and wrong to preach to everybody, indiscriminately, things like "Jesus loves you!" and "Jesus died on the cross for your sins!" This is because, according to Calvinism, Jesus does not love everybody, and He did not die on the cross for everybody's sins. And, according to Calvinism, God "from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain" that the elect--the Calvinists--should be entirely ignorant as to exactly which persons are elect and which persons are non-elect. Thus, Calvinism hucksters are forced to go about pleading embarrassing ignorance as to who, in particular, was atoned for, in Christ's "particular atonement", and who was not:

    "I don't know that so-and-so is elect, so it would be foolhardy for me to tell him that Jesus loves him, as, to do so could involve me in speaking falsehood!"

    But, these hypocrites will turn right around and preach, to everybody, indiscriminately, that everybody is on the path to destruction, the road to hell. Here, they readily cast off their scruples about the possibility of speaking falsehood, so that they can lord it over their marks,--the lost, the unconverted, the unregenerate--NON-ELECT and ELECT, alike--that they are hell-bound.

    Jonathan Edwards wrote a sermon called Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God devoted to that very cause.

    He starts off by quoting a Scripture verse, Deuteronomy 32:35:

    To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.
    He then applies these statements to "every unconverted man" (which, of course, includes every unconverted ELECT man along with the non-elect). He writes:

    [E]very unconverted man properly belongs to hell; that is his place; from thence he is...and thither he is bound.
    So, the Calvinism huckster, Edwards, preaches to every unconverted man (and thus to every ELECT, unconverted man) that he is bound for--that is, going to--hell. Now, according to Calvinism's Westminster divines:

    By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels are predestinated unto everlasting life...
    What necessarily follows from this is that Calvinism's elect were predestinated to NOT go to hell. That is, that it could never be true that an elect person, even an unconverted one, is going to hell. Yet, Edwards has preached to ELECT persons (not knowing that they are elect) that they are thither-bound--that ELECT persons are going to hell!

    But then, Edwards was something of a crank, for you will also find him preaching, in the same sermon, that, in hell, "the devil is waiting for them", and a bit later, he declared, about the affirmations he has given in his sermon, that:

    "This that you have heard is the case of every one of you that are out of Christ."
    So, according to Edwards, it has been the case of every unconverted, ELECT person, that the devil (at least as early as 8 July 1741) is in hell waiting for him/her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
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    To whom were you addressing your quasi-imperative?

    A true clown is someone who goes about whining that (supposedly) some people preach that "Christ died for no one in particular", and then, turns around and proudly thunders meaningless quasi-imperatives to no one in particular. You're not a clown, are you? To whom, in particular, were you addressing your quasi-imperative?

    Be saved from what? There is NO salvation in Calvinism. In Calvinism, the elect have never, even for a second, been in the slightest danger of hellfire from which to be saved, and the non-elect are predestined to suffer inexorable hellfire, from which they shall never be saved. Thus, the elect are not saved from hellfire, and the non-elect are not saved from hellfire, and, who does that leave?

    If you think that you are elect in terms of Calvinism's doctrine of election, you must be an abject fool to be able to, with a straight face, say that you, at some point, had need of being saved from going to hell. If you think that you were predestined "from all eternity" to NOT go to hell, then you are an abject fool insofar as you can say that you have, at some point, needed to be saved from going to hell. One must be devoted to irrationality to be able to say that "I was predestinated to go to heaven, and thus, I was predestinated to NOT go to hell, yet, I was going to hell, and I needed to be saved from going there, and now I'm not going there."

    Calvinism's elect have never been saved from hell, nor needed to be saved from hell, because they were predestined never to go there in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7djengo7 View Post
    To whom were you addressing your quasi-imperative?

    A true clown is someone who goes about whining that (supposedly) some people preach that "Christ died for no one in particular", and then, turns around and proudly thunders meaningless quasi-imperatives to no one in particular. You're not a clown, are you? To whom, in particular, were you addressing your quasi-imperative?

    Be saved from what? There is NO salvation in Calvinism. In Calvinism, the elect have never, even for a second, been in the slightest danger of hellfire from which to be saved, and the non-elect are predestined to suffer inexorable hellfire, from which they shall never be saved. Thus, the elect are not saved from hellfire, and the non-elect are not saved from hellfire, and, who does that leave?

    If you think that you are elect in terms of Calvinism's doctrine of election, you must be an abject fool to be able to, with a straight face, say that you, at some point, had need of being saved from going to hell. If you think that you were predestined "from all eternity" to NOT go to hell, then you are an abject fool insofar as you can say that you have, at some point, needed to be saved from going to hell. One must be devoted to irrationality to be able to say that "I was predestinated to go to heaven, and thus, I was predestinated to NOT go to hell, yet, I was going to hell, and I needed to be saved from going there, and now I'm not going there."

    Calvinism's elect have never been saved from hell, nor needed to be saved from hell, because they were predestined never to go there in the first place.
    Listen and by God's grace...be saved.
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    John 15
    "If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    John 15
    "If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you."
    just because the world hates a group of people
    does not mean what they preach is true
    example JW's Mormons .

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    just because the world hates a group of people
    does not mean what they preach is true
    example JW's Mormons .
    Keep reading John 15...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    Keep reading John 15...
    done, so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    done, so?
    So what?
    You didnít choose me. I chose you. I appointed you to go and produce lasting fruit, so that the Father will give you whatever you ask for, using my name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    Listen and by God's grace...be saved.
    https://youtu.be/TtHijgqceXo
    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
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    Listen and by God's grace...be saved.
    https://youtu.be/TtHijgqceXo

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Listen to it. This thread is about Jonathan Edwards sermon. If people want to comment, then they should listen to it. See how much Edwards points to scripture for his comments. He isn't just making things up. He's speaking scripture to his listeners.

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    I notice that no one dares to listen to Jonathan Edwards sermon. It is biblically sound, which seems to offend many who post on TOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    So what?
    You didnít choose me. I chose you. I appointed you to go and produce lasting fruit, so that the Father will give you whatever you ask for, using my name.
    what is your point ?

    Joh_6:70 Jesus answered them, "Did I not choose you, the Twelve? And yet one of you is a devil."

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