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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Once again, how can anyone be accused of driving too fast if there's no laws to curtail speed? The logical answer is they can't which is one reason why we have them, to discourage irresponsible driving and to make roads and residential areas safer for motorist and pedestrian alike.
    You can't be prosecuted for speeding absent laws on the point. And yes, we have speeding laws to diminish the likelihood of your causing unintended harm and/or damage to others and their property.

    That said, you could be prosecuted for harm worked in the event you lost control and damaged someone's property or person, up to and including being the cause of their death. The car would be much like a hammer in that case. You can carry it around legally if there's no law precluding you doing so, but you will be criminally and civilly liable for whatever you do with it.

    Is that helpful, AB?
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    What happens in Germany?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    You can't be prosecuted for speeding absent laws on the point. And yes, we have speeding laws to diminish the likelihood of your causing unintended harm and/or damage to other's and their property.
    Absolutely, which is why it's ridiculous to posit that someone can drive too fast having supported there being no speed limits.

    That said, you could be prosecuted for harm worked in the event you lost control and damaged someone's property or person, up to and including being the cause of their death. The car would be much like a hammer in that case. You can carry it around legally if there's no law precluding you doing so, but you will be criminally and civilly liable for whatever you do with it.
    Sure, speedings probably the most common form of reckless driving as a loss of control is far more likely along with the likelihood of endangerment to life and damage to property but it's not the only one. Driving under the influence would be another along with ignoring street signs, traffic lights etc.

    Is that helpful, AB?
    Yup, good to have a reasoned response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    What happens in Germany?
    You'd be surprised...unless you were a history buff, in which case nothing that happens in Germany would likely surprise you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Why do these morons insist on making threads when their nonsense has been addressed?
    Good question

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    What happens in Germany?
    Blame the Jews?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    You can't be prosecuted for speeding absent laws on the point.
    Luckily, nobody has advocated an absence of laws to deal with excess speed.

    When you start a post with a logical fallacy, there's no point reacting to the rest of it.

    Or even reading it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Luckily, nobody has advocated an absence of laws to deal with excess speed.

    When you start a post with a logical fallacy, there's no point reacting to the rest of it.

    Or even reading it.
    Sure they have:

    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5285878

    For starters the following out of the above post:

    "There wouldn't be speed limits."

    "Nothing to break..."

    Those are direct quotes from the above post in relation to laws regarding speeding. You don't even read your own threads very well do you?

    Whatever "justification" followed doesn't do away with the fact that JR thinks there should be no such thing as speed limits, from his very own words. Frankly, anyone who thinks that drivers should be allowed to regulate their own speed with no speed caps no matter what is a bonafide moron and thankfully the law kicks that insanity into touch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Why do you need a nanny state?
    Because he has the mental capacity of a four-year-old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Because he has the mental capacity of a four-year-old.
    that would explain the emotional tantrums he regularly throws

    I just reported that latest one

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    #5. Speed Limits

    The Idea:

    Speeding is a major cause behind many fatal accidents, so it must also be true that mandating lower speed limits will make us all safer, right? Like how after marijuana was made illegal, you could hardly find anybody smoking the stuff.

    It was back in 1974 that the federal government passed the National Maximum Speed Limit Law in the USA, slowing America down to a creeping 55 miles per hour. The main reason behind the law was to lower gas consumption, but President Nixon promised us it would make our streets safer as well.

    Partially thanks to anti-speed limit activists like Sammy Hagar, in 1995 it was repealed. But not everyone was happy about that. Some states and many cities still have their highway speed limits set at or near the ’74 lows, and a lot of people support bringing the ’74 law back into effect before every man, woman and child in the country finds themselves living in the horrifying universe of 2 Fast 2 Furious.

    But There’s a Problem…

    After the National speed limit was repealed, the state of Montana removed all non-urban speed limits in their state. A few years later, engineers working with the state decided to venture out to see just what kind of post-apocalyptic Death Race wasteland their lawless state had produced. What they found was that, you guessed it, on the roads where they removed the speed limits, fatalities didn’t go up at all.

    Proponents of the national law still argue that traffic fatalities nationwide did drop during the national speed limit’s lifetime. Buzz-killing critics of the law point out that no, no they didn’t.

    Why Doesn’t it Work?

    Because, and this surprised the hell out of us, people aren’t completely retarded. As it turns out, people tend to drive at speeds they feel comfortable driving. Yes, there are reckless madmen out there, but they’re not going to obey a couple of digits on a sign anyway. It just becomes a make-work project for traffic cops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    ... people arenít completely retarded.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    #5. Speed Limits

    The Idea:

    Speeding is a major cause behind many fatal accidents, so it must also be true that mandating lower speed limits will make us all safer, right? Like how after marijuana was made illegal, you could hardly find anybody smoking the stuff.

    It was back in 1974 that the federal government passed the National Maximum Speed Limit Law in the USA, slowing America down to a creeping 55 miles per hour. The main reason behind the law was to lower gas consumption, but President Nixon promised us it would make our streets safer as well.

    Partially thanks to anti-speed limit activists like Sammy Hagar, in 1995 it was repealed. But not everyone was happy about that. Some states and many cities still have their highway speed limits set at or near the í74 lows, and a lot of people support bringing the í74 law back into effect before every man, woman and child in the country finds themselves living in the horrifying universe of 2 Fast 2 Furious.

    But Thereís a ProblemÖ

    After the National speed limit was repealed, the state of Montana removed all non-urban speed limits in their state. A few years later, engineers working with the state decided to venture out to see just what kind of post-apocalyptic Death Race wasteland their lawless state had produced. What they found was that, you guessed it, on the roads where they removed the speed limits, fatalities didnít go up at all.

    Proponents of the national law still argue that traffic fatalities nationwide did drop during the national speed limitís lifetime. Buzz-killing critics of the law point out that no, no they didnít.

    Why Doesnít it Work?

    Because, and this surprised the hell out of us, people arenít completely retarded. As it turns out, people tend to drive at speeds they feel comfortable driving. Yes, there are reckless madmen out there, but theyíre not going to obey a couple of digits on a sign anyway. It just becomes a make-work project for traffic cops.

    DRB- I love it....
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