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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Luckily, nobody has advocated an absence of laws to deal with excess speed.
    I was answering AB's question.

    When you start a post with a logical fallacy,
    Which I didn't.

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    There are highways in Germany that have no speed limit. I was wondering about how that works there- can you get a ticket for reckless driving if you drive faster than is reasonable (say, bad weather, a lot of traffic....).

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    There are highways in Germany that have no speed limit. I was wondering about how that works there- can you get a ticket for reckless driving if you drive faster than is reasonable (say, bad weather, a lot of traffic....).
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    #5. Speed Limits

    The Idea: Speeding is a major cause behind many fatal accidents, so it must also be true that mandating lower speed limits will make us all safer, right?
    You mean enforcing speed limits will cause people to slow down and reduce fatalities as a result. That's mostly why they're in place today. That and we haven't designed our highways to be as safe at high speeds as, say, the Germans.

    Like how after marijuana was made illegal, you could hardly find anybody smoking the stuff.
    Well, use has gone up where the product is legalized, so if the aim of those laws was to suppress use it worked to some extent.

    After the National speed limit was repealed, the state of Montana removed all non-urban speed limits in their state. A few years later, engineers working with the state decided to venture out to see just what kind of post-apocalyptic Death Race wasteland their lawless state had produced. What they found was that, you guessed it, on the roads where they removed the speed limits, fatalities didnít go up at all.
    And that makes sense, because those non-urban roads were largely arterial roads, that is to say roads with the fewest access points, the least amount of perpendicular traffic. They're safer for high speeds than local roads with a large number of access points.

    Read an interesting article by an engineer on the subject. He said that people tend to drive in their comfort zone. If you want to slow things down you have to impact that. You can do that by narrowing roads or putting in breaks that force people to adjust their driving. I suppose you do a version of that when you have regular interdiction by police vehicles and/or a steady presence on those roads. But when the speed is lower than the prevailing comfort zone you will have a larger group of people driving much faster than most other cars. That difference in speed causes a great many accidents. So adjusting upward will actually make things safer, as it decreases the variance between more vehicles.

    Meanwhile, in roads with many access points, speeds have trended lower, because at those speeds the comfort zone is also lower, people being aware of the inherent dangers of excess speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Shoo.
    Nah. You "shoo."

    Or at least engage without committing the straw man fallacy.
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    no speed limits?

    there will be carnage!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Speed limits take conditions, area, condition of the road etc into account. That's why there's much lower speed limits in urban and residential areas than motorways or long open roads in Montana etc. They're sensible, logical, improve road safety and are used around the world. If there's no speed limit then who determines what is "driving too fast"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Nah. You "shoo."
    Nah.

    Or at least engage without committing the straw man fallacy.
    What straw man?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post


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    Let me know if you ever figure out what you meant by the "straw man" charge and how answering AB's question could resemble that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Let me know if you ever figure out what you meant by the "straw man" charge and how answering AB's question could resemble that.


    Simple English too much for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post


    Simple English too much for you?

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    No, but it's obviously too much for you if you see logical fallacies where there aren't any and especially after a direct quote. If you wanna act like a dope and some stupid kid can you go blog your daft smileys somewhere else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    There are highways in Germany that have no speed limit. I was wondering about how that works there- can you get a ticket for reckless driving if you drive faster than is reasonable (say, bad weather, a lot of traffic....).
    This kinda covers that and Germany certainly hasn't done away with speed limits overall as some advocate on here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_Germany
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Why do you need a nanny state?
    Who said anything about needing a nanny state? Not sure how you equate having speed limits with that exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
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    Hardly, there's much more relaxed speed limits in places that have long open stretches of road such as Montana, Australia etc that makes sense. A lot of them are in unpopulated areas with no congestion of traffic. You support the abolishing of speed limits everywhere including heavily populated urban areas.
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