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    Take A Closer Look At Romans 11: 26

    Take A Closer Look At Romans 11: 26

    και ουτως πας ισραηλ σωθησεται καθως γεγραπται ηξει εκ σιων ο ρυομενος και αποστρεψει ασεβειας απο ιακωβ

    "And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: "

    Focus on "και ουτως πας ισραηλ σωθησεται" "And in this way all Israel shall be saved."

    See: https://biblehub.com/greek/3779.htm
    οὕτως, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Number 3779. houtós, in this way, thus, so, in this manner.

    Houtos refers back to what Paul says in Romans 11, prior to verses 25-26.

    Paul begins Romans 11 by talking about the remnant of Israel in verses 1-6. He says in Romans 11: 5-6 that "Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.6. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

    Here he establishes that a remnant of Old Covenant Israel has become part of God's elect by grace.

    Then in Romans 11: 11-12 he brings in the Gentiles and says in Romans 11: 12: " Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fullness?" "Them" is Old Covenant Israel.

    Then in Romans 11: 20-23 he says "Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21. For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be "graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again."

    Paul is saying all along in Romans 11 that the elect of God is made up of both Gentiles and Jews who have been made into the elect by their faith.

    So in Romans 11: 26 when he says in this way all Israel shall be saved he does not mean that only those of the literal, physical bloodline from Abraham will be saved. He said as early as Romans 11: 6 that the elect are saved by grace.

    The Literalist "Hermeneutic" of dispensationalism may help make dispensationalists unable to see that Romans 11: 26 refers back to Paul's including the elect Gentiles and elect Jews in one unified group, since Paul uses the word "Israel" which for dispensatonalists apparently can mean only Old Covenant Israel. The "Israel of God in Galatians 6: 15-16 could help dispensationalists understand this "All Israel" in Romans 11: 26. But the separation between Old Covenant Israel and the Church is so strong in dispensationalism that this is a difficult stretch to see for dispensationists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northwye View Post
    Take A Closer Look At Romans 11: 26

    και ουτως πας ισραηλ σωθησεται καθως γεγραπται ηξει εκ σιων ο ρυομενος και αποστρεψει ασεβειας απο ιακωβ

    "And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: "

    Focus on "και ουτως πας ισραηλ σωθησεται" "And in this way all Israel shall be saved."

    See: https://biblehub.com/greek/3779.htm
    οὕτως, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Number 3779. houtós, in this way, thus, so, in this manner.

    Houtos refers back to what Paul says in Romans 11, prior to verses 25-26.

    Paul begins Romans 11 by talking about the remnant of Israel in verses 1-6. He says in Romans 11: 5-6 that "Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.6. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

    Here he establishes that a remnant of Old Covenant Israel has become part of God's elect by grace.

    Then in Romans 11: 11-12 he brings in the Gentiles and says in Romans 11: 12: " Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fullness?" "Them" is Old Covenant Israel.

    Then in Romans 11: 20-23 he says "Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21. For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be "graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again."

    Paul is saying all along in Romans 11 that the elect of God is made up of both Gentiles and Jews who have been made into the elect by their faith.

    So in Romans 11: 26 when he says in this way all Israel shall be saved he does not mean that only those of the literal, physical bloodline from Abraham will be saved. He said as early as Romans 11: 6 that the elect are saved by grace.

    The Literalist "Hermeneutic" of dispensationalism may help make dispensationalists unable to see that Romans 11: 26 refers back to Paul's including the elect Gentiles and elect Jews in one unified group, since Paul uses the word "Israel" which for dispensatonalists apparently can mean only Old Covenant Israel. The "Israel of God in Galatians 6: 15-16 could help dispensationalists understand this "All Israel" in Romans 11: 26. But the separation between Old Covenant Israel and the Church is so strong in dispensationalism that this is a difficult stretch to see for dispensationists.

    Hi and here is what Rom 11:26 really means !!

    #1 The first verb is SHALL BE SAVED / SOZO which is in the FUTURE TENSE , WHY ??

    Can you explain how Jews are saved today , 2 Cor 3:16 , YES !!

    #2 , The second verse is in the Greek PERFECT TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE and in the INDICATIVE MOOD of FACT !!

    #3, The third verb is THERE SHALL COME / NEKO is in the FUTURE TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE and in Indicative Mood , , why the future tense !!

    #4 The 4 th verb SHALL TURN AWAY / APOSTREPHO is also in the Greek FUTURE TENSE , can you explain that ??

    There are TWO views here , the NEAR VIEW since Israel since Israel has been set aside 2 Cor 3:13-15 !!

    Then there is the FAR VIEW of Rom 11:26 !!

    It is obvious that the Body of Christ is BETWEEN the NEAR VIEW and the FAR VIEW !!

    So there are to programs , BUT Gal 1:23 says that there are 3 programs all RUNNING at the same time for some years , UNTIL the Israel and Peter and Paul are still ministering !!

    dan p

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    The dispensationalist view of Romans 11: 26 has been that Israel is ethnic, or national Israel, and that some time in the future all of ethnic Israel will be saved.

    σωθησεται, from 4982. sózó, is the Greek verb which is concerned with All Israel being saved. This verb is third person, future, passive voice, and indicative mood.

    But this information about the key verb here does not tell us anything about who All Israel is. It says that the action of saving Israel is in the future, that something other than Israel, God, takes the action of saving.

    "And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
    14. But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
    15. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart." II Corinthians 3: 13-15

    But "which vail is done away in Christ."

    "But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed." Galatians 1: 23

    What does Galatians 1: 23 have to do with Romans 11: 26?

    Paul talks about Gentiles being saved in Romans 11: 17-24, which would imply that Jews and Gentiles of faith are joined together in the metaphoric Olive Tree in Romans 11: 17. Then dispensaationalism appears and says the All Israel to be saved in Romans 11: 26 is only ethnic or national Israel. And dispensationalists are unable to see the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northwye View Post
    Take A Closer Look At Romans 11: 26

    και ουτως πας ισραηλ σωθησεται καθως γεγραπται ηξει εκ σιων ο ρυομενος και αποστρεψει ασεβειας απο ιακωβ

    "And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: "

    Focus on "και ουτως πας ισραηλ σωθησεται" "And in this way all Israel shall be saved."

    See: https://biblehub.com/greek/3779.htm
    οὕτως, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Number 3779. houtós, in this way, thus, so, in this manner.

    Houtos refers back to what Paul says in Romans 11, prior to verses 25-26.

    Paul begins Romans 11 by talking about the remnant of Israel in verses 1-6. He says in Romans 11: 5-6 that "Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.6. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

    Here he establishes that a remnant of Old Covenant Israel has become part of God's elect by grace.

    Then in Romans 11: 11-12 he brings in the Gentiles and says in Romans 11: 12: " Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fullness?" "Them" is Old Covenant Israel.

    Then in Romans 11: 20-23 he says "Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21. For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be "graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again."

    Paul is saying all along in Romans 11 that the elect of God is made up of both Gentiles and Jews who have been made into the elect by their faith.

    So in Romans 11: 26 when he says in this way all Israel shall be saved he does not mean that only those of the literal, physical bloodline from Abraham will be saved. He said as early as Romans 11: 6 that the elect are saved by grace.

    The Literalist "Hermeneutic" of dispensationalism may help make dispensationalists unable to see that Romans 11: 26 refers back to Paul's including the elect Gentiles and elect Jews in one unified group, since Paul uses the word "Israel" which for dispensatonalists apparently can mean only Old Covenant Israel. The "Israel of God in Galatians 6: 15-16 could help dispensationalists understand this "All Israel" in Romans 11: 26. But the separation between Old Covenant Israel and the Church is so strong in dispensationalism that this is a difficult stretch to see for dispensationists.
    Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
    Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    The above scripture got me to looking for more info since 'the lost sheep of Israel' must not have been lost in the world, but lost spiritually. Also the fact that Jesus told the twelve to go only to these lost sheep.



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