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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    Who ever saw a Jew work and not plunder, steal, sponge and profit from the sweat of another manís brow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    Trad- you have an irrational hatred of Jews. If they succeed- it is for some undefined nefarious reason. If they help each other- it's because they despise others. If they're hated- it's for some good reason- which we won't spell out.

    If Korean Americans succeed- that's OK (as long as they don't overdo it).
    If Italian Americans help each other out- well, that's OK. It's only natural that they would.

    But the Jews?
    To outlaw the language of Antisemitism is getting into 'thought police' territory. What we can---and should---do, is to recognize, protect, and affirm the right of all Jewish people, to keep and bear any instruments that constitute bearable arms, in self-defense, and in defense of their families, friends, neighbors, and other loved ones. Let the Antisemites have their words, but if they try to commit violent crimes, protect yourself and your loved ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    So long as you confuse this evil in you with good, nurture this sin as though it was virtue, clothe ignorance in the robes of consideration, you will ever be a waste of your education and an embarrassment to the body of Christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    So long as you confuse this evil in you with good, nurture this sin as though it was virtue, clothe ignorance in the robes of consideration, you will ever be a waste of your education and an embarrassment to the body of Christ.
    The purpose of the quote was to show that the basis of Nazi antisemitism was socialism/anti-capitalism. They identified Jews as capitalists.

    You could replace the word "Jew" with "capitalist" in that quote, and it would be completely correct:

    "Who ever saw a capitalist work and not plunder, steal, sponge and profit from the sweat of another man’s brow?"

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    Also, in defense of Goebbels quote:

    Does anybody here have numbers on Jewish representation in fields requiring actual work? I'm willing to bet that they are massively underrepresented relative to their population size.

    Has anybody here actually met a Jewish garbage collector or construction worker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    Also, in defense of Goebbels quote:

    Does anybody here have numbers on Jewish representation in fields requiring actual work? I'm willing to bet that they are massively underrepresented relative to their population size.

    Has anybody here actually met a Jewish garbage collector or construction worker?
    So , let's hear it: Why are Jews so lousy? What's your theory, Trad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    So , let's hear it: Why are Jews so lousy? What's your theory, Trad?
    I'm not even making a normative claim. I'm simply saying that it's foolish to criticize Goebbels for saying that Jews are generally not part of the working class. On average, they probably aren't, and insofar as they are, they are less so compared to other demographics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    Also, in defense of Goebbels quote:

    Does anybody here have numbers on Jewish representation in fields requiring actual work? I'm willing to bet that they are massively underrepresented relative to their population size.

    Has anybody here actually met a Jewish garbage collector or construction worker?

    Jews in the Military
    Jewish military personnel have served in all branches of the armed forces and in every major armed conflict to which the United States has been involved. The Jewish Chaplains Council estimated that there are currently 10,000 known Jewish servicemen and servicewomen on active duty.



    so there's that

    betcha there's even higher representation in the Israeli army



    do you consider teaching "real work"?

    how about medicine? I used to work with a lot of Jewish health care workers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    I'm not even making a normative claim. I'm simply saying that it's foolish to criticize Goebbels for saying that Jews are generally not part of the working class. On average, they probably aren't, and insofar as they are, they are less so compared to other demographics.
    worth noting trad, that the jews in the ghettos, especially in poland, were primarily day laborers

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    The Jewish Chaplains Council estimated that there are currently 10,000 known Jewish servicemen and servicewomen on active duty.
    This actually supports my claim. There are a total of 1,281,900 active duty service members. 10,000 of 1,281,900 is roughly 1.29%. Jews are 1.4% of the US population, but only 1.29% of active duty military, which means that Jews are slightly underrepresented.

    do you consider teaching "real work"?

    how about medicine? I used to work with a lot of Jewish health care workers
    Instead of "real work," I should have said "working class." In that light, it depends upon what kind of medical worker. I wouldn't consider doctors and surgeons to be working class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    This actually supports my claim. There are a total of 1,281,900 active duty service members. 10,000 of 1,281,900 is roughly 1.29%. Jews are 1.4% of the US population, but only 1.29% of active duty military, which means that Jews are slightly underrepresented.



    Instead of "real work," I should have said "working class." In that light, it depends upon what kind of medical worker. I wouldn't consider doctors and surgeons to be working class.
    the jewish folk i knew were either professional level or working toward it - it was a strong part of their culture to build careers, continuing education, networking, etc

    they also worked liked demons - 60, 70, 80 hours a week and more was normal

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    the jewish folk i knew were either professional level or working toward it - it was a strong part of their culture to build careers, continuing education, networking, etc

    they also worked liked demons - 60, 70, 80 hours a week and more was normal
    Apparently Trad views these qualities as very bad things, and a reason to hate Jews.

    In many Asian cultures, Jews are viewed in a positive light for exactly the same reasons.

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