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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    Sources
    ... such as???

    Do you have any examples? Or are you just full of hot air?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    Sources that don't consistently get ripped to shreds by independent fact checkers.
    So how many got apprehended?
    Which is why stupid right wingers don't like fact checkers.
    I love fact checkers when they check facts.
    Because delusional, stupid right wingers only consult fake news sources.
    Where's the best source you have for how many people were apprehended at the border?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    ... such as???

    Do you have any examples? Or are you just full of hot air?
    Corporate television news is universally terrible, though some worse than others. Fox News is outright Republican propaganda. MSNBC is propaganda for the Hillary Clinton wing of the Democratic party, but usually much more factually accurate than Fox News. CNN is, again, factually more accurate than Fox News, but suffers from a bias towards sensationalism. All of these corporate television news outlets are massively biased towards corporate, establishment interests.

    When you look at online/print outlets, it gets much better, but you still have to be wary of right wing propaganda funded by and serving the interests of rich right wing donors.

    The Hill, Washington Post, Huffington Post, NPR, etc. tend to be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    In other words: You don't have evidence.

    Duly noted.
    I have news reports....same as you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    I have news reports....same as you have.
    Provide said news reports.

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    And obviously, suffice to say, Alex Jones as a crazy conspiracy theorist. Infowars is the fakest of fake news.

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    Another trick that right wing propagandists like to use is having right-wing funded (often funded by the Koch brothers) paid shills writing "opinion" articles in otherwise reputable news outlets. This is the trick that they consistently pull when spreading lies/conspiracy theories about climate change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    Provide said news reports.


    https://www.watchdog.org/national/ca...a20f9d9f2.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    And obviously, suffice to say, Alex Jones as a crazy conspiracy theorist. Infowars is the fakest of fake news.
    Duh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditio View Post
    Corporate television news is universally terrible, though some worse than others. Fox News is outright Republican propaganda. MSNBC is propaganda for the Hillary Clinton wing of the Democratic party,
    I agree with that statement.


    but usually much more factually accurate than Fox News. CNN is, again, factually more accurate than Fox News, but suffers from a bias towards sensationalism. All of these corporate television news outlets are massively biased towards corporate, establishment interests.
    The comment sections are where I take the pulse.
    Foxnews comment section are a right wing circlejerk. CNN doesn't have comments anymore except for maybe some opinion pieces. But when they do it's a leftwing circle jerk. I check those two sites and then head to abc where the article might have a slant but there's a good mix in the comments on both sides.

    When you look at online/print outlets, it gets much better, but you still have to be wary of right wing propaganda funded by and serving the interests of rich right wing donors.
    Or rich left wing donors.
    The Hill, Washington Post, Huffington Post, NPR, etc. tend to be fine.
    Nobody is "Fine". They all have an agenda.
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    These people rejected asylum in Mexico because life for them would hardly be any better for them there . It would be like going from the frying pan into the fire . But Americans should stop feeling threatened by them . This is like the proverbial stories of elephants being terrified of mice .

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    These people rejected asylum in Mexico because life for them would hardly be any better for them there . It would be like going from the frying pan into the fire . But Americans should stop feeling threatened by them . This is like the proverbial stories of elephants being terrified of mice .
    Do you believe the borders should be open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    This is like the proverbial stories of elephants being terrified of mice .
    Are 400,000 mice a concern to you?
    Cause that sounds like a lot of mice to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    These people rejected asylum in Mexico because life for them would hardly be any better for them there . It would be like going from the frying pan into the fire . But Americans should stop feeling threatened by them . This is like the proverbial stories of elephants being terrified of mice .
    https://youtu.be/7oA77tVNKtc

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    The Constitution itself, from which all federal powers derive, does not even delegate to the federal government any power over immigration — i.e., who can come here. It just gives it power over naturalization, i.e., who can become a citizen here.

    The likely claim of the folks in the caravan will be political asylum. Political asylum requires the claimant to demonstrate an intolerable situation in the home country caused by the government — not by economic forces — and aimed at the person seeking asylum. Thus, the failure of the government in the country of origin to protect basic natural rights or to enforce basic criminal laws — for example, permitting criminal gangs to rule — is a valid basis for asylum, whereas loss of a job is not.

    Once an asylum-seeker has so much as the tip of her shoe on American soil, she can file an asylum claim. The claim entitles her to a hearing before an immigration judge. Most of these hearings take six to eight months after the claim has been filed to reach a judge. In the Obama years, asylum claimants were set free until their hearings. The Trump administration has detained them and separated children from their parents. The detentions are lawful; the family separations are not.

    Yet people who want to work should be allowed in. My colleagues at The Wall Street Journal have demonstrated indisputably that most of the work that immigrants will do is work most Americans eschew. Their work not only benefits them but also produces family stability and increases wealth, which finds its way into the stream of commerce.

    The blanket rejection by force of everyone in the caravan violates the spirit and the intentions of the laws the president has sworn to uphold. Those laws mandate a careful examination of all who want to come here — on a neutral case-by-case basis — not a blanket prohibition.

    We who call ourselves Americans are nearly all descended from immigrants. Yet when our forebears arrived here, they were met simply by prejudice and government indifference. The poor folks in the caravan are likely to be met by prejudice and government force.

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