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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    That's a nice word salad but I'm uncertain of your position. Should we allow them to cross illegally or not?

    i think the take away is "obama good, Trump bad"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    obama good
    Dirty lib
    “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

    ― Theodore Roosevelt

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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    Crossing the Border without inspection is a misdemeanor.
    Unless you are a repeat offender which makes it a felony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delmar View Post
    Unless you are a repeat offender which makes it a felony.
    In which case we get to pay for their lawyer while we pay to house them while we prosecute them then pay to jail them and then send them back.
    Everyman is a voice in the dark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    it seems irresponsible to expose children to this
    This is about the most clueless thing you could possibly say. Do you not understand what these children are exposed to if the parents had stayed in their country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinark View Post
    This is about the most clueless thing you could possibly say. Do you not understand what these children are exposed to if the parents had stayed in their country?
    seems likely that they'd be exposed to the same things that children are exposed to if their parents stay in their home country (let's pick Honduras for the sake of discussion)

    but go ahead, tell me exactly, specifically what a child avoids by being dragged across Mexico that they would have encountered if they had stayed home in Honduras

    feel free to link to news articles about horrible things happening to children in Honduras

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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    In which case we get to pay for their lawyer while we pay to house them while we prosecute them then pay to jail them and then send them back.
    It's so much better in Saudi Arabia where the king can immediately decide the fate of any criminal without due process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    seems likely that they're exposed to the same things that children are exposed to if their parents stay in their home country (let's pick Hionduras for the sake of discussion)

    but go ahead, tell me exactly, specifically what a chlid avoids by being dragged across mexico that they would have encoungtered if they had stayed home in Honduras

    feel free to link to news articles about horrible things happeneing to children in Honduras
    A brief summary:

    In Gang-Ridden Honduras, Growing Old is a Privilege, Not a Right

    I arrived here to continue a project I had begun in 2015 documenting the mass migration of Hondurans making the perilous journey towards the United States. Time and time again, fleeing Honduran families explained in harrowing detail the precise moment when life in the country was no longer an option: An imminent threat against their lives at the whim of a dominant gang, a workplace shuttered by impossible extortion quotas imposed by sicarios, or simply being run out by the persistent crossfire in the city peripheries.
    More detail in the article here:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/relay.n...orruption-boys

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    maybe we should be more proactive about supporting repressive regimes (like duterte in the phillipines) that can deal harshly with the destabilizing elements in their societies - like gangs and drugs
    Where in the world are you getting the idea that these high crime countries aren't repressive in dealing with crime?

    Honduras has increasingly militarized the fight against organized crime in recent years, granting soldiers policing powers in 2011 and creating an elite military police unit in 2013. President Hernández’s administration has deployed thousands of military police officers since 2014, which has reportedly fueled human rights violations, including kidnapping.

    As of 2015, Honduras’ military, overseen by the National Defense Ministry, had around 24,000 active personnel in its army, air force, navy and military police. Under Honduras’ constitution, the Security Ministry can call on the military to cooperate in operations against terrorism and drug and arms trafficking. Military officials have been accused of colluding with criminal groups to traffic drugs.
    https://www.insightcrime.org/hondura...news/honduras/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    and what skills and values will these people bring to our country? In what way will we benefit from their presence? Will they be a drain on our society or a benefit? Will they bring order or chaos?

    Would they not be better served returning to their homelands and working to make them better?

    isn't that why we send billions in foreign aid to central america, to prevent it from becoming destabilized?
    In general, such immigrants are a benefit. They start companies at a greater rate than native born Americans and commit crime at a lower rate than native born Americans. Additionally, even the ones that take low skilled jobs are a benefit. They help places hit by hurricanes recover faster (recovery speed often limited by construction labor availability and construction costs). They also help keep food costs down when they take agricultural jobs, which helps the poor the most. Also, they tend to work a lot of hospitality jobs, making traveling and eating out cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinark View Post
    In general, such immigrants are a benefit. They start companies at a greater rate than native born Americans and commit crime at a lower rate than native born Americans. Additionally, even the ones that take low skilled jobs are a benefit. They help places hit by hurricanes recover faster (recovery speed often limited by construction labor availability and construction costs). They also help keep food costs down when they take agricultural jobs, which helps the poor the most. Also, they tend to work a lot of hospitality jobs, making traveling and eating out cheaper.
    if this were true, the border states would be clamoring to have them

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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    In which case we get to pay for their lawyer while we pay to house them while we prosecute them then pay to jail them and then send them back.
    What's the alternative?
    You aren't what you eat, but you're always what you swallow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinark View Post
    It's so much better in Saudi Arabia where the king can immediately decide the fate of any criminal without due process.
    better than Honduras, yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    What's the alternative?
    A wall.
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    what a novel idea - i wonder if border walls have ever been tried before and found to be effective?

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