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    Hello Right Divider...I know what you mean about lack of indentation....I write with indentations on word pad, but when I paste it on this site it jumbles everything...sorry.
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    You might try a different text editor. In some you can even set up some interpretation of the different bbcode tags. I like Notepad++.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derf View Post
    You might try a different text editor. In some you can even set up some interpretation of the different bbcode tags. I like Notepad++.
    The built-in editor works just fine.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    The built-in editor works just fine.
    I agree. But if he's using an external editor anyway, Wordpad is not the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derf View Post
    I agree. But if he's using an external editor anyway, Wordpad is not the best.
    Totally agree with that.

    But if he's cutting and pasting, he can fix the sections using the built-in editor. It's really pretty easy.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Greetings again Right Divider,
    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    The body of Christ did not even begin until YEARS later.
    No, they were not. The body of Christ had not even come into existence yet.
    The believers, both Jews and Gentiles, were the body of Christ and they were also the bride of Christ. John the Baptist speaks of Jesus as the bridegroom, and the disciples of John who had switched their full allegiance from John to Jesus were the bride of Christ.
    John 3:26Ė30 (KJV): 26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. 27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. 28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroomís voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
    These included four of Johnís disciples, Andrew and Peter, James and John. Thus the Apostles were part of the bride of Christ, and the 3000 baptised at Pentecost joined the Apostleís fellowship and also became part of the bride of Christ.
    No, he hasn't. The day of Pentecost was a Jewish (Israelite) feast required by law. They were continuing with God's plans for Israel as described in prophecy.
    There was a little bit more happening on this particular Day of Pentecost. A few weeks earlier Jesus had been crucified and died, he was buried but on the third day God raised him from the dead, and after forty days Jesus ascended to heaven to sit at the right hand of God. Jesus then sent forth the Holy Spirit on the Apostles, and then Peter addressed the assembled multitude to teach them about Jesus and his resurrection. Peter was not there to teach this multitude about the basics of the Day of Pentecost. There were 3000 that responded to Peterís message, and they repented and were baptised in water, and then joined the Apostleís fellowship, and thus became the body and the bride of Christ.
    Was the church in the wilderness the body of Christ? No, it was Israel, just like the church at Pentecost.
    No, Israel was at that time a separate entity, and as a whole the nation had rejected their Messiah. These new believers formed the Ekklesia, the body of Christ, the bride of Christ.

    Kind regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorL View Post
    Greetings again Right Divider, The believers, both Jews and Gentiles, were the body of Christ and they were also the bride of Christ. John the Baptist speaks of Jesus as the bridegroom, and the disciples of John who had switched their full allegiance from John to Jesus were the bride of Christ.
    John 3:26–30 (KJV): 26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. 27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. 28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
    These included four of John’s disciples, Andrew and Peter, James and John. Thus the Apostles were part of the bride of Christ, and the 3000 baptised at Pentecost joined the Apostle’s fellowship and also became part of the bride of Christ.
    There was a little bit more happening on this particular Day of Pentecost. A few weeks earlier Jesus had been crucified and died, he was buried but on the third day God raised him from the dead, and after forty days Jesus ascended to heaven to sit at the right hand of God. Jesus then sent forth the Holy Spirit on the Apostles, and then Peter addressed the assembled multitude to teach them about Jesus and his resurrection. Peter was not there to teach this multitude about the basics of the Day of Pentecost. There were 3000 that responded to Peter’s message, and they repented and were baptised in water, and then joined the Apostle’s fellowship, and thus became the body and the bride of Christ.
    No, Israel was at that time a separate entity, and as a whole the nation had rejected their Messiah. These new believers formed the Ekklesia, the body of Christ, the bride of Christ.

    Kind regards
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    The total that heard and believed Peter's Gospel was actually 8,000. 3,000 on the day of Pentecost and 5,000 on the day after, Acts 4:4.

    Regardless, the Gospel gave birth to the New Testament church. Things in Jerusalem were never the same after that.

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    Greetings again Right Divider, The believers, both Jews and Gentiles, were the body of Christ and they were also the bride of Christ.
    You keep repeating the same old myths as if that will make them come true.

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    John the Baptist speaks of Jesus as the bridegroom, and the disciples of John who had switched their full allegiance from John to Jesus were the bride of Christ.
    They were ISRAEL.... twelve apostles that will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    Is your Bible missing some pages?
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    The total that heard and believed Peter's Gospel was actually 8,000. 3,000 on the day of Pentecost and 5,000 on the day after, Acts 4:4.

    Regardless, the Gospel gave birth to the New Testament church. Things in Jerusalem were never the same after that.
    That could be same many times throughout Israel's history.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    That could be same many times throughout Israel's history.

    The book of Acts is a wonderful book, especially Acts 2. The apostles went everywhere preaching Jesus Christ and his Gospel. Nothing compares to the birth of the New Testament church.

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    They were ISRAEL.... twelve apostles that will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
    Thats the Bride of Christ !
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    The church here is not the Body of Christ.
    false comment, it is the boc
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    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    The book of Acts is a wonderful book, especially Acts 2. The apostles went everywhere preaching Jesus Christ and his Gospel. Nothing compares to the birth of the New Testament church.
    Poor Robert, it sounds like you have a PhD in Churchianity.

    There was no "new church" in Acts 2. Acts 2 was a continuation of all that God had said in prophecy about His dealings and plans for Israel. Peters said so: Acts 2:16

    If you think that Acts 2 is your model, have you sold all of your possessions and are you living communally with your fellow Acts 2ers? I didn't think so.

    The book of Acts is about the FALL of Israel.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Poor Robert, it sounds like you have a PhD in Churchianity.

    There was no "new church" in Acts 2. Acts 2 was a continuation of all that God had said in prophecy about His dealings and plans for Israel. Peters said so: Acts 2:16

    If you think that Acts 2 is your model, have you sold all of your possessions and are you living communally with your fellow Acts 2ers? I didn't think so.

    The book of Acts is about the FALL of Israel.
    You must be going to the "Church of Screwed Up" if you believe that Acts is about the fall of Israel.

    Acts is not the model for the New Testament church, but it is about its birth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
    Those listed in Acts 1:13-14 were of one accord and were assembled together in Jerusalem.
    2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
    The Jews and proselytes in the city investigated what was going on.
    2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
    The apostles, filled with the Holy Ghost, began to speak in tongues.
    2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
    Speaking in tongues, as can clearly be seen above in verses 8 and 11, involves the ability given the apostles to speak and be heard in a specific language, not of their own. It was a sign given them to substantiate their ministry.
    Peter, standing with the eleven, spoke.
    2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
    Pentecost and the filling of the Holy Host was prophesied by Joel. This was a fulfillment of prophecy in Joel 2.
    2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

    2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

    2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
    In the above verses it should be noted that Peter was not addressing the newly formed church, the Body of Christ, but rather, Israel only. Peter preached Jesus as Christ and his resurrection. The resurrection of Jesus Christ would establish the future promise of His Kingdom on earth. This promised Kingdom would put him on the throne of David; enable Israel to reign and rule with him over the nations; and be a light of salvation to the Gentiles, thru the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

    2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
    2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
    Peter, in the above verses, states that Jesus is both Lord and Christ. Jesus rose from the dead, showing his diety, that he is the Son of God.
    In verse 38 below, Peter shows that Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah, the Saviour of Israel, who alone can forgive the sins of the nation of Israel.

    2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.
    Peter is only offering the above promises of remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost to Israel and those Gentiles who would come to God thru Israel.

    2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
    The believers were baptized according to the Israel program of recognition of the name; the authority; and the idenity of Jesus. They were added to them, the church of the Kingdom to come, not the Body of Christ.

    2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

    2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

    2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

    2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
    They sold all they had and provided to all according to the commandment to Israel by Jesus in Matthew 13:46 and 19:21.

    2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

    2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
    They were in one accord as well. The church here is not the Body of Christ. The church here are the believers in Christ who were promised entrance into the Kingdom on earth. The kingdom which is postponed and interrupted by our Dispensation of Grace.
    We receive the kingdom of God when we receive the Holy Spirit; we are seated in him, and he in us.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Greetings again Right Divider,
    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    You keep repeating the same old myths as if that will make them come true.
    I notice that you did not comment on John 3:26-30 which clearly defines the Jewish disciples and apostles as the bride of Christ.
    They were ISRAEL.... twelve apostles that will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
    Is your Bible missing some pages?
    The foloowing is speaking of the future when the Apostles will share in the rule of Jesus when he sits upon the throne of David in Jerusalem for the 1000 years.
    Matthew 19:27–28 (KJV): 27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? 28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
    The above is definitely in my Bible, but you seem to misapply what this is teaching. The Apostles will not be judging those who were converted to become the Ekklesia, and thus part of the bride of Christ, on the Day of Pentecost.

    Kind regards
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