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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Again your question is mute and doesn't make sense to me.

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    OK. Let's see,

    One of the two, following propositions must be true, and the other must be false:

    1. ALL of Jesus' sheep hear His voice, believe, and follow Him,

    OR,

    2. SOME of Jesus' sheep do not hear His voice, do not believe, and do not follow Him.
    Now, you give lip service to proposition 1, which is clearly taught in John 10. However, as I repeatedly point out to you, Saul of Tarsus was not hearing Jesus' voice, was not believing, and was not following Him. When you state that Saul of Tarsus, while he was not hearing Jesus' voice, etc., was nonetheless one of Jesus' sheep, you are affirming proposition 2, and thereby contradicting proposition 1. You are saying that Saul of Tarsus was a sheep despite NOT hearing Jesus' voice, despite NOT believing, despite NOT following Jesus, which is a statement diametrically opposed to what Jesus affirmed.

    How can Saul of Tarsus have been a sheep while failing to hear Jesus' voice, failing to believe, and failing to follow Jesus, when Jesus clearly stated that the cause of peoples' failing to hear His voice, failing to believe, and failing to follow Him was the very fact that they weren't His sheep?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7djengo7 View Post
    OK. Let's see,

    One of the two, following propositions must be true, and the other must be false:



    Now, you give lip service to proposition 1, which is clearly taught in John 10. However, as I repeatedly point out to you, Saul of Tarsus was not hearing Jesus' voice, was not believing, and was not following Him. When you state that Saul of Tarsus, while he was not hearing Jesus' voice, etc., was nonetheless one of Jesus' sheep, you are affirming proposition 2, and thereby contradicting proposition 1. You are saying that Saul of Tarsus was a sheep despite NOT hearing Jesus' voice, despite NOT believing, despite NOT following Jesus, which is a statement diametrically opposed to what Jesus affirmed.

    How can Saul of Tarsus have been a sheep while failing to hear Jesus' voice, failing to believe, and failing to follow Jesus, when Jesus clearly stated that the cause of peoples' failing to hear His voice, failing to believe, and failing to follow Him was the very fact that they weren't His sheep?
    Again your question is senseless

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Again your question is senseless

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    Perhaps, to a 2nd grade reading level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Again your question is senseless

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    We'll let you display just how dishonest you are when you stonewall against this question:

    At the time Jesus was saying to the Jews that "my sheep hear my voice" and so on, was Saul of Tarsus hearing Jesus' voice? Yes or No?

    (For you to say something such as "Your question is senseless" will be nothing other than for you to stonewall against the question. Besides, no question is senseless; if something is senseless, it is not a sentence, and if it is not a sentence, it is not a question.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7djengo7 View Post
    We'll let you display just how dishonest you are when you stonewall against this question:

    At the time Jesus was saying to the Jews that "my sheep hear my voice" and so on, was Saul of Tarsus hearing Jesus' voice? Yes or No?

    (For you to say something such as "Your question is senseless" will be nothing other than for you to stonewall against the question. Besides, no question is senseless; if something is senseless, it is not a sentence, and if it is not a sentence, it is not a question.)
    Again your question is senseless to me. I would be a fool to answer it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Again your question is senseless to me. I would be a fool to answer it.

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    Or, you could just be calculatin' and evasive to not answer it. But, you can just as well be a fool even without answering it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7djengo7 View Post
    Or, you could just be calculatin' and evasive to not answer it. But, you can just as well be a fool even without answering it.
    Again your question is senseless to me. I would be a fool to answer it.

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