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    Anti- Calvinists Ignore the Fall !

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyStan View Post
    The error of the anti-Calvinists is to speak of man as created and not man as a fallen creature.

    Sin entered the world through one man,Adam(Rom5:12).
    Through Adam all men became sinners(Rom5:12).
    The judgement followed one sin and and bought condemnation(Rom5:16).
    Death reigned through Adam to all men(Rom17).
    Romans 5:12KJV
    12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

    Men were not "fallen" creatures until they sinned.

    All of creation was "fallen"....corrupted by sin that had entered the world. But, God makes it clear. Man can choose to do "well" or "not well". Sin lieth at the door waiting to come in.

    Gen. 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.

    Sin is persistent, deceitful, and entices man to sin. So, all do in the end, because man is week through his flesh. As was Adam. The lusts of the eyes, lusts of the flesh, and the pride of life, get us all until we return to our Creator and are quickened.

    Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

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    Man can choose to do "well" or "not well"
    False statement nowhere in scripture. In fact, the hypothetical question is asked Jer 13:23

    Can the Ethiopian change his skin[no], or the leopard his spots[no]? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil[no].
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
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    False statement nowhere in scripture. In fact, the hypothetical question is asked Jer 13:23

    Can the Ethiopian change his skin[no], or the leopard his spots[no]? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil[no].
    Do you see the word "accustomed" there? Read that chapter and you'll see what is meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
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    False statement nowhere in scripture. In fact, the hypothetical question is asked Jer 13:23

    Can the Ethiopian change his skin[no], or the leopard his spots[no]? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil[no].
    Not everyone is 'accustomed' to doing bad.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyStan View Post
    The error of the anti-Calvinists is to speak of man as created and not man as a fallen creature.

    Sin entered the world through one man,Adam(Rom5:12).
    Through Adam all men became sinners(Rom5:12).
    The judgement followed one sin and and bought condemnation(Rom5:16).
    Death reigned through Adam to all men(Rom17).

    Adam was the only man, outside of Christ,who had a free will.
    But Adam sinned and his will became slave to his sinful nature.
    All men hence forward had a will enslaved to their sinful nature.
    This was the judgement of God(Rom5:16,18).

    The enslaved will was no longer free like Adam at creation.
    Mankind after the fall was born dead in their transgressions and sins(Eph2:1-3).
    Mankind, from the fall, were by nature objects of God's wrath(Eph3).

    The anti Calvinists are blind to the fallen will of man.
    They speak of man's free will and do not understand that it is now enslaved to his sinful nature.
    We have a choice. Paul says we can either be slaves to sin or slaves to righteousness.

    Romans 6:16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    God says people 'choose' to do evil:

    1 Peter 4:3 For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do–living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    The following are scriptures that show a loving God, and that God calls and some do not answer. They resist God.

    But concerning Israel he says, “All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.” Romans 10:21.

    God held his hands out. The people were obstinate to God holding his hands out.

    Isaiah 65:2 All day long I have held out my hands to an obstinate people, who walk in ways not good, pursuing their own imaginations–

    Does it make sense that God would hold out His hands to people if He made it impossible for them to choose Him?
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    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Romans 5:12KJV
    12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

    Men were not "fallen" creatures until they sinned.

    All of creation was "fallen"....corrupted by sin that had entered the world. But, God makes it clear. Man can choose to do "well" or "not well". Sin lieth at the door waiting to come in.

    Gen. 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.

    Sin is persistent, deceitful, and entices man to sin. So, all do in the end, because man is week through his flesh. As was Adam. The lusts of the eyes, lusts of the flesh, and the pride of life, get us all until we return to our Creator and are quickened.

    Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
    'Men were not "fallen" creatures until they sinned'.
    No! All mankind fell in Adam's sin, and are born in sin.

    Gen4:7 is speaking to Adam's son Cain. It is speaking of having his offerings accepted.

    Gen4:7 says nothing about being able not to sin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyStan View Post
    'Men were not "fallen" creatures until they sinned'.
    No! All mankind fell in Adam's sin, and are born in sin.
    Saying it doesn't make it so.

    Gen4:7 is speaking to Adam's son Cain. It is speaking of having his offerings accepted.

    Gen4:7 says nothing about being able not to sin!
    God said sin was waiting at the door if he chose wrongly, and He was talking about Cain's attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Saying it doesn't make it so.



    God said sin was waiting at the door if he chose wrongly, and He was talking about Cain's attitude.
    Yes, Cain's attitude arising from his sinful nature from Adam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyStan View Post
    Yes, Cain's attitude arising from his sinful nature from Adam.
    That's called human nature. The same nature that Adam and Eve had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    That's called human nature. The same nature that Adam and Eve had.
    Human nature is under the wrath of God (Eph2:3).
    God says it and that makes it true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyStan View Post
    Human nature is under the wrath of God (Eph2:3).
    God says it and that makes it true!
    Referring, of course, to those who fulfilled the lusts of the flesh.

    There is a "conducting" and a "fullfilling" that earns them the wrath of God.

    Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

    God says it and that makes it true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyStan View Post
    Yes, Cain's attitude arising from his sinful nature from Adam.
    Don't forget that Cain had a brother that did good.
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