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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    ...it's so important for members of the Body of Christ to pray for guidance before reading God's written Word, the Bible.
    'Completely agree with this.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    It 'belongs' to the Church's bishops.
    Good thing that you put that in quotes.

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    You don't even acknowledge the whole Word of God. You only acknowledge the Old Testament (not even the whole Old Testament; you're missing seven books) and the Apostolic Tradition that was committed to writing within the Apostolic age, which is only part of the whole Word of God, which includes the whole Apostolic witness, and not just what we find in the New Testament.
    False accusations... I'm used to it.

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    For example, that abortion is sin is explicitly Apostolic,
    Where do you get garbage like that? Murder has always been wrong.... all he way back to the beginning with Cain and Able.

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    as is the Trinity,
    No, that's just BIBLICAL too.

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    but you don't receive that; you can only conjecture and extrapolate from the Bible.
    That's really hilarious coming from you.

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    You starve yourself rather than eat from the bounty that the Apostles left us, both by their writings and authorized writings done on their behalf (Sacred Scripture), and through their word-of-mouth teachings that have been handed down to the Church's episcopacy, and which they now share with the whole world in the 'Catechism of the Catholic Church' (Sacred Tradition).
    Your "church" has elevated "Sacred Tradition" over the Word of God.

    That is why you think that only your guys can "interpret" the Bible.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    I've got scriptures that indicate otherwise, and tell another tale. He didn't just commission His Apostles, and then once they died, we're stuck with only what they themselves wrote down, and what was written within their lifetimes, and was subsequently authorized by them (the New Testament). His Apostles consecrated successors by the imposition of their own hands, the bishops/overseers/elders, whose job it is to teach the Church. The whole Word of God is the whole Old Testament, plus the New Testament, plus the Apostolic teachings that were not committed to writing during their lifetimes. We have a bounty of Apostolic witness from which to draw, and you starve yourselves by limiting it only to what was committed to writing in the Apostolic age.
    Once again, you just regurgitate what your guys feed you.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Good thing that you put that in quotes.
    It's your word, that's why.
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    False accusations... I'm used to it.
    So you accept that the Word of God is "the whole Apostolic witness, and not just what we find in the New Testament?" I said that you do not, and here you say 'False accusations?'
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    Where do you get garbage like that? Murder has always been wrong.... all he way back to the beginning with Cain and Able [sic].
    Of course. Nobody's arguing about whether murder is wrong, but whether abortion is wrong. If you receive the whole Apostolic witness, this doesn't require some sort of scriptural argument, piecing it together from this scripture and that scripture. The Apostles said abortion was wrong, full stop. No additional interpretation necessary.
    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    No, that's just BIBLICAL too.
    Only with some fairly advanced hermeneutics, and nobody is under any obligation to receive what different interpreters say that the Bible says. There's no 'Nicene Creed' in the Bible (which explains part of the Trinity explicitly), that came from extrabiblical, and fully Apostolic, oral traditions.

    Do you receive the Nicene Creed?
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    That's really hilarious coming from you.


    Your "church"
    The Church.
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    has elevated "Sacred Tradition" over the Word of God.
    False. The whole Apostolic witness, along with the whole Old Testament, is the Word of God. A lot of Apostolic witness was committed to writing during the Apostolic age, both by the Apostles themselves, and by those who wrote what the Apostles taught by word-of-mouth, and that was subsequently authorized by the Apostles as Sacred Scripture.

    There is a relationship between the Word of God, and 'Sacred Tradition.' The New Testament is the same authority as the rest of the Apostolic witness that wasn't written down during the Apostolic age. We can only access the full Apostolic witness from those who have heard it, and they are the authentic pastors of the Church, and they have published the 'Catechism of the Catholic Church' in part to share with the world what the Apostles did teach.
    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    That is why you think that only your guys can "interpret" the Bible.
    Biblical interpretation is not the issue with Catholicism. The Apostles interpret, the bishops relay to us what the Apostles said. Some of what they said was committed to writing and is found in the New Testament, and the rest of what they said is known among the bishops, the first generation of whom learned everything they knew about the faith directly from the Apostles, who initiated the episcopal office of the Church, and which has existed unceasingly all the way to this day.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Once again, you just regurgitate what your guys feed you.
    Not even close. I went out on a search, and I found what has been here for all of us, all along.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Not even close. I went out on a search, and I found what has been here for all of us, all along.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    So you accept that the Word of God is "the whole Apostolic witness, and not just what we find in the New Testament?"
    The Bible is the Word of God. Not your false prophets.

    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    I said that you do not, and here you say 'False accusations?'
    Of course. Nobody's arguing about whether murder is wrong, but whether abortion is wrong. If you receive the whole Apostolic witness, this doesn't require some sort of scriptural argument, piecing it together from this scripture and that scripture. The Apostles said abortion was wrong, full stop.
    Abortion is murder and murder was shown to be wrong LONG before the first century.... full stop.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
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    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Yes. 'French.' Indeed.

    'French.'
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    The Bible is the Word of God.
    Yes. Do you hereby reject every other thing that the Apostles taught while here with us on earth, that was not written down for us, and found in the New Testament?
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    Not your false prophets.
    I don't have any of those.
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    Abortion is murder and murder was shown to be wrong LONG before the first century.... full stop.
    Oh. Chapter and verse where Scripture says, "Abortion is murder."

    I'll wait.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    With the plainest language, we've seen that the King James Bible teaches that Christ's Resurrection is the sine qua non of the one Christian faith, and that believing in Christ, is tantamount to believing in His Resurrection.
    You missed it, as usual deceiver, and continue your misdirection, creating a moving target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    You missed it, as usual deceiver, and continue your misdirection, creating a moving target.
    That 'target' is just settin there.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    That 'target' is just settin there.
    Oh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Yes. Do you hereby reject every other thing that the Apostles taught while here with us on earth, that was not written down for us, and found in the New Testament?
    I don't have any of those.
    Oh. Chapter and verse where Scripture says, "Abortion is murder."

    I'll wait.
    http://americanrtl.org/what-does-the...rtion#Exodus21

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Does it have the chapter and verse saying, "Abortion is murder?" What is it?
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Does it have the chapter and verse saying, "Abortion is murder?" What is it?
    Yes. It's in Exodus 21.

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