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    Ok, that's your opinion, but definitely not mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyStan View Post
    Ok, that's your opinion, but definitely not mine
    Who are you talking to?

    Please use the "Reply with Quote" button under the post of the person you're replying to.

    We're not psychic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Who are you talking to?

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    We're not psychic.
    Ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    Nope. Peter preached the gospel of the circumcision to all the house of Israel at Pentecost (a Jewish holy day). But since you say Peter preached "the gospel" (as if there is only one in the Bible) please show us all where Peter preached the good news that "Christ died for our sins". We'll wait.
    Peter preached the one and only true gospel to the Jews in Jerusalem on the day of pentecost.
    Who could possibly disagree with this long accepted truth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyStan View Post
    Peter preached the one and only true gospel to the Jews in Jerusalem on the day of pentecost.
    Who could possibly disagree with this long accepted truth!
    Show us where Peter preached Christ's resurrection prior to His crucifixion.

    You can't, because he didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyStan View Post
    Peter preached the one and only true gospel to the Jews in Jerusalem on the day of pentecost.
    Who could possibly disagree with this long accepted truth!
    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Show us where Peter preached Christ's resurrection prior to His crucifixion.

    You can't, because he didn't.
    In other words, there's more than one gospel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    In other words, there's more than one gospel.
    'But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned(Gal1:8)

    Paul and Peter preached the same gospel(Gal 2:6-9).

    There is only one gospel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyStan View Post
    'But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one preached to you, let him be eternally condemned(Gal1:8)

    Paul and Peter preached the same gospel(Gal 2:6-9).

    There is only one gospel!
    If it was the same gospel, then why would God need another Apostle to preach it (Paul) alone (the twelve for the most part never left Jerusalem after Paul's conversion)? I mean, you'd think having 12 apostles to preach the same gospel would be enough, and then they don't even do what they're told (go out into the world). Why add a 13th? Wouldn't it be better to leave one in Jerusalem and send the other 11 out into the world, instead of not sending any of the twelve out and sending one into the world?

    In other words, WHY PAUL?

    Also, Galatians 2:7-9 specifically mentions two different gospels.

    The gospel of the uncircumcised, given to Paul, and the gospel of the circumcised, given to Peter.

    But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the
    circumcised was to Peter (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles), and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. - Galatians 2:7-9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9&version=NKJV

    So either Paul lied about there being two different gospels, or you're trying to distort scripture to fit your beliefs.

    I'M going to go with the latter, and believe Paul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyStan View Post
    Peter preached the one and only true gospel to the Jews in Jerusalem on the day of pentecost.
    Who could possibly disagree with this long accepted truth!
    Ooh, Ooh, Me!
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    [QUOTE=JudgeRightly;5283739]If it was the same gospel, then why would God need another Apostle to preach it (Paul) alone (the twelve for the most part never left Jerusalem after Paul's conversion)? I mean, you'd think having 12 apostles to preach the same gospel would be enough, and then they don't even do what they're told (go out into the world). Why add a 13th? Wouldn't it be better to leave one in Jerusalem and send the other 11 out into the world, instead of not sending any of the twelve out and sending one into the world?

    Paul preached the gospel to the gentiles and Peter preached the gospel to the Jews.
    Paul an apostle to the gentiles and Peter an apostle to the jews.
    Both were called by God to their apostleships.
    But it was the same gospel. the only gospel, the one true gospel.
    There was not a circumcison gospel and a different one for the gentiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyStan View Post
    'But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned(Gal1:8)

    Paul and Peter preached the same gospel(Gal 2:6-9).

    There is only one gospel!
    Who is 'we?
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyStan View Post
    Peter didn't even know the Lord would die (let alone for anyone's sins)
    Paul didn't know if his believer friends would "draw back to perdition" (Hebrews 10:39).
    Bless his little heart, he was always edifying, exhorting, encouraging, etc. ...
    whilst he was somewhat hiding his dire warnings about the possibility of losing salvation.

    This is common throughout the epistles ...
    God doesn't want to discourage the babes in Christ.

    But, these warnings don't scare the true obedient BACs,
    who are truly travelling on the narrow path to heaven.
    Hey, I like that ... truly travelling.

    If anyone doesn't care for the "whilst",
    I shall endeavor to refrain from using it.
    "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
    you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
    (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    Who is 'we?
    Paul is writing to his Galatian converts. 'We' obviously refers to Paul and his co-workers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZacharyB View Post
    Paul didn't know if his believer friends would "draw back to perdition" (Hebrews 10:39).
    Bless his little heart, he was always edifying, exhorting, encouraging, etc. ...
    whilst he was somewhat hiding his dire warnings about the possibility of losing salvation.

    This is common throughout the epistles ...
    God doesn't want to discourage the babes in Christ.

    But, these warnings don't scare the true obedient BACs,
    who are truly travelling on the narrow path to heaven.
    Hey, I like that ... truly travelling.

    If anyone doesn't care for the "whilst",
    I shall endeavor to refrain from using it.
    Paul said,'we are ...of those who believe to the saving of the soul.' he was confident of their salvation.
    God or Paul would never shy away from their 'dire warnings' when needed(Gal1:8).
    Jesus spoke dire warnings about hell and judgement to the disciples and his hearers.
    Such warnings are an integral part of the gospel and gospel preaching.
    Unlike Paul and Jesus many today shy away from preaching such warnings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZacharyB View Post
    At the moment you were born-again …
    you were only forgiven of the sins you had committed up to that point in time!

    “For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins. Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for IF you do these things you will never stumble; for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” (2 Peter 1:9-11, NKJV)
    “OLD sins” is also in the KJV, RSV, NLT, AMP

    “having forgotten his purification from his FORMER sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NASB)
    “FORMER sins” is also in the ESV

    “forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NIV)
    “PAST sins” is also in the HCSB

    Now for some confirming NT passages …

    Paul wrote this to the Corinthian church concerning his words of rebuke
    in 1 Corinthians that he had sent to them concerning some particular sin(s).
    They really needed to be sorrowful and repent.

    “… the pain (from his rebuke) caused you to repent and change your ways. It was the kind of sorrow God wants His people to have, so you were not harmed by us in any way. For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience leads us away from sin and results in salvation. … worldly sorrow, which lacks repentance, results in spiritual (eternal) death.”
    (2 Corinthians 7:8-10, NLT)

    “Yes, I am afraid that when I come again, God will humble me in your presence. And I will be grieved because many of you have not given up your old sins. You have not repented of your impurity, sexual immorality, and eagerness for lustful pleasure.” (2 Corinthians 12:21, NLT)


    Peter is warning believers about God’s destruction of all ungodly and unholy people:
    “Then he used the water to destroy the ancient (ungodly) world … the day of judgment, when ungodly people will be destroyed. … He is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed (perish spiritually), but (he) wants everyone to repent. … what holy and godly lives you should live … (you) make every effort to be found living peaceful lives that are pure and blameless in his sight. … I am warning you ahead of time … Be on guard so that you will not be carried away by the errors …” (2 Peter 3:6-17, NLT)

    John gives the condition for the Lord to forgive believers’ present sins:
    “But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
    and to cleanse us from all wickedness (unrighteousness).” (1 John 1:9, NLT)

    “This is an extremely important verse … all men need to be repeatedly purified from all unrighteousness – from all their sins … We must confess our sins and turn from them …
    We must also confess them with our actions … (John) is talking here about repentance …
    we must hate our sins and turn from them. This is true repentance.”
    (The Applied New Testament Commentary; Dr. Thomas Hale)


    2 verses later, John reminds believers to ask Jesus to plead our case before the Father:
    “My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin.
    But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father.
    He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous.” (1 John 2:1, NLT)


    Believers are responsible for repenting of their sins after they are born-again!
    They have been given the Holy Spirit, a totally new nature, and God’s word.
    So, they have been enabled to be victorious overcomers over sin, the world, and the devil.
    They have no excuse for failing to do this.
    This is good and true.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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