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    Trump sez: Transgenders B gone!

    ... and it was done




    ‘Transgender’ Could Be Defined Out of Existence Under Trump Administration

    WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth, the most drastic move yet in a governmentwide effort to roll back recognition and protections of transgender people under federal civil rights law.

    A series of decisions by the Obama administration loosened the legal concept of gender in federal programs, including in education and health care, recognizing gender largely as an individual’s choice and not determined by the sex assigned at birth. The policy prompted fights over bathrooms, dormitories, single-sex programs and other arenas where gender was once seen as a simple concept. Conservatives, especially evangelical Christians, were incensed.

    Now the Department of Health and Human Services is spearheading an effort to establish a legal definition of sex under Title IX, the federal civil rights law that bans gender discrimination in education programs that receive government financial assistance, according to a memo obtained by The New York Times.

    The department argued in its memo that key government agencies needed to adopt an explicit and uniform definition of gender as determined “on a biological basis that is clear, grounded in science, objective and administrable.” The agency’s proposed definition would define sex as either male or female, unchangeable, and determined by the genitals that a person is born with, according to a draft reviewed by The Times. Any dispute about one’s sex would have to be clarified using genetic testing.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/21/u...efinition.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    ... and it was done




    ‘Transgender’ Could Be Defined Out of Existence Under Trump Administration

    WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth, the most drastic move yet in a governmentwide effort to roll back recognition and protections of transgender people under federal civil rights law.

    A series of decisions by the Obama administration loosened the legal concept of gender in federal programs, including in education and health care, recognizing gender largely as an individual’s choice and not determined by the sex assigned at birth. The policy prompted fights over bathrooms, dormitories, single-sex programs and other arenas where gender was once seen as a simple concept. Conservatives, especially evangelical Christians, were incensed.

    Now the Department of Health and Human Services is spearheading an effort to establish a legal definition of sex under Title IX, the federal civil rights law that bans gender discrimination in education programs that receive government financial assistance, according to a memo obtained by The New York Times.

    The department argued in its memo that key government agencies needed to adopt an explicit and uniform definition of gender as determined “on a biological basis that is clear, grounded in science, objective and administrable.” The agency’s proposed definition would define sex as either male or female, unchangeable, and determined by the genitals that a person is born with, according to a draft reviewed by The Times. Any dispute about one’s sex would have to be clarified using genetic testing.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/21/u...efinition.html
    I see one problem with this. (Mentally ill) Parents who give hormones to their children pre-birth so that they are born with the wrong genitalia.

    The way to fix this is to define male as Xy Chromosomes, and Female as XX Chromosomes, with diseases such as Down's Syndrome recognized as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    The way to fix this is to define male as Xy Chromosomes, and Female as XX Chromosomes, with diseases such as Down's Syndrome recognized as such.
    Indeed, too many folks try to frame the issue based on the rare exceptions.
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    I do hope this is true. It's hard to say with the media these days.

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    Lets ignore biology and the method by which humans develop. Lets pander to the right wing base. Lets save money that otherwise might benefit people so we can make sure hedge fund managers get to go on nice vacations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    I see one way to improve this. (Mentally ill) Parents who give hormones to their children pre-birth so that they are born with the wrong genitalia.


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    Citation to this please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    Lets ignore biology and the method by which humans develop. Lets pander to the right wing base. Lets save money that otherwise might benefit people so we can make sure hedge fund managers get to go on nice vacations. Lets make sure we separate people who are "different"---language, color, sexual identity: those people make us feel "uncomfortable"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    Lets ignore biology and the method by which humans develop. Lets pander to the right wing base. Lets save money that otherwise might benefit people so we can make sure hedge fund managers get to go on nice vacations.
    "Sexual identity" HA!

    A man (XY) and woman (XX) have a baby There is a 50% chance the baby will be a boy (XY) and a 50% chance the baby will be a girl (XX)

    Didn't you ever do those square thingies in science class?

    ...| X | X
    --+------+-----
    X | XX | XX
    --+------+-----
    Y | XY | XY

    Boys grow up to be men.
    Girls grow up to be women.

    There is no in-between, nor is there any other possibility.

    Instead of going by what people feel, let's go by what science says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    Citation to this please.
    Sorry, not sure why my brain messed up when composing that post.

    I have since fixed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Sorry, not sure why my brain messed up when composing that post.

    I have since fixed it.
    the post or your brain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    ... and it was done
    That's a big step for someone who was on the ground floor of the transgender civil rights movement several decades ago (as owner of the Miss Universe Pageant, Donald Trump overruled the pageant board and allowed a genitally mutilated man pretending to be a woman to compete) and who as a Presidential candidate spoke out against the North Carolina bathroom bill and invited transgender/transgender activist Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner to use the women's restroom at Trump Tower.

    It's still questionable if "it is done" in the US Military, as it appears that transgenders are still able to serve under certain circumstances:

    March 2018 policy:

    Eligible to remain in service: transgender service members who agree to serve in birth gender indefinitely and who are able to maintain fitness under general standards without medical support for gender dysphoria.

    Limited Exception for currently serving personnel: • If diagnosed with gender dysphoria prior to the effective date of new policy • May continue to receive all medically necessary care, change gender marker, and serve in gender consistent with gender identity. • This means there will be personnel who have transitioned gender serving side-by-side with personnel who are prohibited from transitioning gender. • DOD recognizes this inconsistency and issued a threat against serving transgender personnel if courts rely on the inconsistency as a basis for invalidating the ban:

    https://www.palmcenter.org/wp-conten...-Trump-Ban.pdf

    Regarding the Dept. of Health and Human Services: Will they be changing their pro LGBT website anytime soon?

    https://www.hhs.gov/programs/topic-s...gbt/index.html
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    This is nothing but an excuse to try to deny rights to transgendered people , obviously with the approval of the right-wing extremist members of the religious right in the Trump administration, especially V.P. Mike Pence . Trump is cynically appealing to the bigotry of the religious right in order to gain more power for himself . Despicable !

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    This is nothing but an excuse to try to deny rights to transgendered people , obviously with the approval of the right-wing extremist members of the religious right in the Trump administration, especially V.P. Mike Pence . Trump is cynically appealing to the bigotry of the religious right in order to gain more power for himself . Despicable !
    "Just an excuse!"

    "Right wing extremists!"

    "Bigotry!"

    "Just wants more power!"

    "Despicable!"

    Do you have anything rational to say instead of your incessant whining?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    This is nothing but an excuse to try to deny rights to transgendered people....
    Transgendered people have the right to seek medical help for their mental illness

    They do not have the right to force the rest of us to accept them as "normal"

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