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    notice how butthurt he is that you "high-fived" me ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    I'm not an atheist and sure I've heard of it. It's a stupid saying.

    You're not known for your ability to discern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Zoom....right over your head. Which is why I chuckle at YOU.
    I laugh at him also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Artie needs a foxhole in order to change his tune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    The books (plural) were opened, not a Book of Works.

    The purpose of the second resurrection is to provide an opportunity for eternal life.

    The Father draws to Christ those who are ready for for eternal life.

    Not everyone is ready at this time.

    The second resurrection is the primary opportunity for most people.

    Few are chosen for the first resurrection.

    A Book of Works is not relevant. Salvation is not by works.

    "And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment..." (Hebrews 9:27)

    Those who have died once must be resurrected before they can be judged regarding works.

    Salvation is not by works.
    Old GM hates to be the one to tell you, however, you're WRONG.

    You are right about 'The books' (plural) though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman View Post
    Sloppy debating. It's a "have you stopped beating your wife yet" type of question.
    He's a man of few words. Even then, he doesn't choose the right words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Um, no, they're just people who aren't convinced of the existence of a God, that's all no matter how much spin you might wanna put on it.
    That's still a rejection of God at some level, no matter how much spin you might wanna put on it.

    If you believe that God has people consigned to eternal suffering with no escape then you can hardly call that altruistic.
    You keep focusing on the ones who reject God. What about the ones who love God? Wouldn't God want to protect them from those who reject Him?

    Have you ever heard the phrase, "a little leaven leavens the whole lump"?

    Only according to your limited parameters of what God can/cant, must/mustn't do.
    So what is it you think God can do that I say He cannot?

    Typical unthinking black and white mentality.
    The Bible is pretty clear on this stuff. You could even say it's black and white...

    Once again, you are not a spokesperson for God.
    I'm not? The Bible says Christians are to be salt and light in the world.

    Preserve righteousness, and bring light to those in the darkness.

    Sounds like a spokesperson to me.

    Yay, "turn or burn" chick tract garbage. Zero to do with genuine love.
    Genuine love? I don't think you know anything about genuine love.

    What, a kid born into terminal illness or born into an environment where the only water is liable to make them ill is supposed to understand any of that? Or a parent who is torn apart by seeing their child waste away from disease is supposed to "connect the dots"?! If you think you have a case with that then it's one that's full of rocks.
    The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork.Day unto day utters speech, And night unto night reveals knowledge.There is no speech nor language Where their voice is not heard.Their line has gone out through all the earth, And their words to the end of the world. In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun,Which is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, And rejoices like a strong man to run its race.Its rising is from one end of heaven, And its circuit to the other end; And there is nothing hidden from its heat. - Psalm 19:1-6 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...6&version=NKJV

    Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,who “will render to each one according to his deeds”:eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.For there is no partiality with God.For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law(for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them )in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. - Romans 2:1-16 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...6&version=NKJV

    Oh, that isn't arrogant or presumptive at all is it?
    Calling Jesus arrogant and presumptive isn't going to go well for you on Judgment Day.

    If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.” - John 3:12-21 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...1&version=NKJV

    Do you have the capacity for empathy and compassion at all or are you just a clanging cymbal?
    It's not compassionate to warn people of their impending doom?

    It's not empathetic to share the good news of Christ's death, burial, and resurrection which can save them from their doom?

    The average "joe" is just trying to navigate his/her way through life, frail flesh and blood just like you and me.
    Exactly. They haven't given much thought to their eternal future.

    You're the one on a high horse declaring why they don't believe the same as you.
    Scripture is where I get my material. You might want to check it out.

    Yeah, then everyone would be as insightful as you and belief would be easy.
    Exactly. But since I've read the Creator's user manual for humans, I have a better grasp on how people work than you do.

    One day you might understand why people don't find it as simple as that and get off that arrogant and ignorant high horse.
    Says the person down in the mud.

    No, do tell.
    It's a rejection of God, at whatever level.

    God is righteous. He is just. Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? When people go against Him, it harms them and those around them.
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    Right.

    All that God is and all that God does is just, merciful and righteous. Religion makes God an unjust sinner like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Once again, you are not a spokesperson for God.

    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    I'm not? The Bible says Christians are to be salt and light in the world.

    Preserve righteousness, and bring light to those in the darkness.

    Sounds like a spokesperson to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Doser is funny and is able to joke...unlike you, Mr. Grumpy Pants.
    Eh, you're easily amused...
    Well this is fun isn't it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    You're not known for your ability to discern.
    You should go talk to yourself in a mirror, oh, and I see you're back to following folk around saying "hi" a lot. How old are you again?
    Well this is fun isn't it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    You should go talk to yourself in a mirror, oh, and I see you're back to following folk around saying "hi" a lot. How old are you again?
    Have you no respect for your elders, such as 'OLD GM'?

    @GrosnickMarowbe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Eh, you're easily amused...
    you need to learn to laugh at yourself artie


    it's not all that hard - just about everybody here has learned to

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    That's still a rejection of God at some level, no matter how much spin you might wanna put on it.
    Not in any way as how you like to describe it, it's simply honest doubt.

    You keep focusing on the ones who reject God. What about the ones who love God? Wouldn't God want to protect them from those who reject Him?

    Have you ever heard the phrase, "a little leaven leavens the whole lump"?
    What do you suppose the average agnostic/atheist would want to do JR, ruin your paradise?



    So what is it you think God can do that I say He cannot?
    Restore everything and fulfil what He wills to come about for a start.

    The Bible is pretty clear on this stuff. You could even say it's black and white...
    Funny, the original translators of the texts didn't find what you believe as truth to be that at all in the main.

    I'm not? The Bible says Christians are to be salt and light in the world.

    Preserve righteousness, and bring light to those in the darkness.

    Sounds like a spokesperson to me.
    Don't see much light in what you post.

    Genuine love? I don't think you know anything about genuine love.
    Shoulda left that sentence at "think".

    The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork.Day unto day utters speech, And night unto night reveals knowledge.There is no speech nor language Where their voice is not heard.Their line has gone out through all the earth, And their words to the end of the world. In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun,Which is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, And rejoices like a strong man to run its race.Its rising is from one end of heaven, And its circuit to the other end; And there is nothing hidden from its heat. - Psalm 19:1-6 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...6&version=NKJV

    Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,who “will render to each one according to his deeds”:eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.For there is no partiality with God.For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law(for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them )in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. - Romans 2:1-16 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...6&version=NKJV
    Your point?

    Calling Jesus arrogant and presumptive isn't going to go well for you on Judgment Day.
    Unless you're having delusions of grandeur then I wasn't doing that.

    If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.” - John 3:12-21 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...1&version=NKJV
    Interesting how you gloss over the part where Jesus says He didn't come to condemn the world but to save it. You should also note that judgement can still occur without an eternal hell of suffering attached.

    It's not compassionate to warn people of their impending doom?

    It's not empathetic to share the good news of Christ's death, burial, and resurrection which can save them from their doom?
    There's nothing compassionate or empathetic about doctrines of eternal suffering full stop. Let's face it, earlier on this post you were going on about the need to be protected from those evil atheists etc. Was that compassionate or self serving?

    Exactly. They haven't given much thought to their eternal future.
    A lot of people just aren't sure there is one. You reckon God isn't cruel and yet you believe in one that according to your doctrine will force helpless creatures into an eternity of suffering. Annihilation makes more sense than what you promote.

    Scripture is where I get my material. You might want to check it out.
    Scripture doesn't teach you to be arrogant and you might wanna re-read the passage you just posted.

    Exactly. But since I've read the Creator's user manual for humans, I have a better grasp on how people work than you do.
    No, no you don't...

    Says the person down in the mud.
    Yeah, you're a real beacon of light.

    It's a rejection of God, at whatever level.

    God is righteous. He is just. Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? When people go against Him, it harms them and those around them.
    How is a baby born with cancer rejecting God?
    Well this is fun isn't it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Have you no respect for your elders, such as 'OLD GM'?

    @GrosnickMarowbe
    I don't respect people based on their age but who they are and how they act.
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