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    As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty: a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and are not forced to sacrifice their values for the benefit of others...
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    Government laws that prohibit things like abortion, homosexuality, prostitution, pornography and recreational drug use, are backed by "force" which Libertarians believe "sacrifices their values for the benefit of others" ("others" being God, unborn children, family members and the community and nation at large that are hurt by immoral ideology and actions).
    You are confusing LIBERTINISM with Libertarianism.
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    he gets confused a lot

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    Quote: Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    Government laws that prohibit things like abortion, homosexuality, prostitution, pornography and recreational drug use, are backed by "force" which Libertarians believe "sacrifices their values for the benefit of others" ("others" being God, unborn children, family members and the community and nation at large that are hurt by immoral ideology and actions).

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    NOT FORCED
    You are confusing LIBERTINISM with Libertarianism.
    First let me thank you for coming forward and attempting to defend Libertarianism (I capitalize the L because the political party is a direct reflection of libertarian philosophy).

    Libertines are those who engage in the above behaviors, but without Libertarians making laws that make it legal for those Libertines to engage in those immoral behaviors, these lost souls would be in jail for committing murder of the unborn, same sex sodomy, paying for sex and using deadly recreational drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Quote: Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    Government laws that prohibit things like abortion, homosexuality, prostitution, pornography and recreational drug use, are backed by "force" which Libertarians believe "sacrifices their values for the benefit of others" ("others" being God, unborn children, family members and the community and nation at large that are hurt by immoral ideology and actions).

    First let me thank you for coming forward and attempting to defend Libertarianism (I capitalize the L because the political party is a direct reflection of libertarian philosophy).

    Libertines are those who engage in the above behaviors, but without Libertarians making laws that make it legal for those Libertines to engage in those immoral behaviors, these lost souls would be in jail for committing murder of the unborn, same sex sodomy, paying for sex and using deadly recreational drugs.
    The basis of true libertarianism is the idea of non-aggression. That does not mean that we believe in "do whatever you want".

    I really don't know that much about the Libertarian party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    The basis of true libertarianism is the idea of non-aggression. That does not mean that we believe in "do whatever you want".
    In a Libertarian's small world you can't rob a person of his wallet because that's "aggression" (never mind that God says that it's immoral to steal). They can engage in things like same sex buggery, prostitution and recreational drug use because in their mind there is no "aggression" involved in those immoral behaviors.

    I really don't know that much about the Libertarian party.
    That filthy degenerate Ron Paul ran for President twice on the LP ticket.
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    That filthy degenerate Ron Paul....



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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    In a Libertarian's small world you can't rob a person of his wallet because that's "aggression" (never mind that God says that it's immoral to steal). They can engage in things like same sex buggery, prostitution and recreational drug use because in their mind there is no "aggression" involved in those immoral behaviors.
    Everyone, including the libertarian, should use Biblical values as their guide in life. You can try to make everything that is immoral illegal. But you will try in vain to enforce that. Then you get SWAT teams kicking down the wrong door in an effort to get the "bad guys" and their "drugs".

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    That filthy degenerate Ron Paul ran for President twice on the LP ticket.
    Please describe why Ron Paul is a "filthy degenerate".

    Perhaps you are the perfect one that should be dictator of the world.
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    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Here are several good reasons why one can't be a follower of Christ and a Libertarian:

    How Libertarianism and Christianity intersect
    http://www.faithfacts.org/blog/liber...m-christianity

    I could add a few more points (like Jesus's 2 greatest commandments), but the writers of the above article did an excellent job of explaining Libertarianism.

    Regarding abortion: Note that no one has said that it's wrong to murder based on Judeo-Christian doctrine (thou shalt not murder), but only on the "aggression" aspect of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Everyone, including the libertarian, should use Biblical values as their guide in life.
    There's a direct contradiction in Libertarianism and having Biblical values, see my above link.

    You can try to make everything that is immoral illegal. But you will try in vain to enforce that. Then you get SWAT teams kicking down the wrong door in an effort to get the "bad guys" and their "drugs".
    Yet you want to make abortion illegal. Explain your position. If you go with God's Word, you can't use the "aggression" argument, nor can you defend homosexuality, pornography, prostitution and recreational drug use because His Word goes against those things.
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    There's a direct contradiction in Libertarianism and having Biblical values, see my above link.
    Once again. I don't know or care what a political party believes.

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    Yet you want to make abortion illegal. Explain your position.
    Abortion is the ultimate form of AGGRESSION against an innocent PERSON.

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    If you go with God's Word, you can't use the "aggression" argument, nor can you defend homosexuality, pornography, prostitution and recreational drug use because His Word goes against those things.
    Thou shalt not murder is a non-aggression law from God.

    You are none too bright, but you are quite the zealot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post

    Please describe why Ron Paul is a "filthy degenerate".
    Voting with Democrats to allow openly homosexual men and women to serve in the US Armed Forces.

    Wanting to legalize all recreational drug use.

    I have more if that's not enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post

    Thou shalt not murder is a non-aggression law from God.
    Yet He doesn't say that's the reason behind the law prohibiting murder. If you're going to go with God and His Word on abortion (thou shalt not murder), then you're going to have to go with His Word on human sexuality (homosexuality, pornography, prostitution) and recreational drug use as well.

    God defines the role of civil government in Romans 13:4.
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    Voting with Democrats to allow openly homosexual men and women to serve in the US Armed Forces.


    never understood that one, especially while they still hold adultery as a criminal offense

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    Yet He doesn't say that's the reason behind the law prohibiting murder.
    And I didn't say that it was the reason behind it.. You're just always in attack mode.

    The reason behind it is that God is the Creator of life and has the just determination of its beginning and end. But the non-aggression principle still applies to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    If you're going to go with God and His Word on abortion (thou shalt not murder), then you're going to have to go with His Word on human sexuality (homosexuality, pornography, prostitution) and recreational drug use as well.
    • You cannot make every sin illegal or we'd all be in jail.
    • You ideas about "recreational drug use" are strange. Perhaps you think that Jesus had a problem too, since He drank alcohol.

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    God defines the role of civil government in Romans 13:4.
    Indeed, punishing a murderer would fit just find there. But not so much lesser offences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Yet He doesn't say that's the reason behind the law prohibiting murder. If you're going to go with God and His Word on abortion (thou shalt not murder), then you're going to have to go with His Word on human sexuality (homosexuality, pornography, prostitution) and recreational drug use as well.

    God defines the role of civil government in Romans 13:4.
    Pretty sure RD is against all those as well (correct me if I'm wrong, RD), so not sure why you're being AGGRESSIVE (see what I did there?) towards him.

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